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Old 12-01-2020, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker
I’m not saying staff with military. Staff with who’s available. I know a few nurses from medical flight days that are making bank all over the country and deservedly so. But yes staffing is clearly a problem right now.
And that is the problem.

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Old 12-01-2020, 06:12 PM
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Its a problem today. Was it in April? Isolating covid patents and/or medical personnel away from major population centers might have helped initially? They did that at Miramar but moved away from it. Obviously It wouldn’t make sense to do it today.

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Old 12-01-2020, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
And we should have taken the spring and summer to aggressively build up healthcare capacity to negate the need for lockdowns. I couldn’t believe all those field hospitals were so quickly dismantled.
Thats where federal leadership comes in. Regardless of different needs for different parts of the country, you can’t do much if everyone is not on the same page.
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Old 12-02-2020, 12:08 AM
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The ONLY legitimate reason to “lockdown” is to prevent health system capacity from being overrun.
Yep. And California is doing much better than other areas of the country.

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Old 12-02-2020, 03:45 AM
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12/1

34.2%

780,283


Up from 703,135 on November the 18th which was the last non holiday affected Tuesday.


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Old 12-02-2020, 04:36 AM
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12/1

34.2%

780,283


Up from 703,135 on November the 18th which was the last non holiday affected Tuesday.


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to add to this, this was the best regular Tuesday we have ever had during the recovery. (In terms of YoY %)

3rd best ever, if you include the Tuesday after Labor Day, and Tuesday before Thanksgiving.

Keep in mind at 34.2% on a random December Tuesday - we were still in the 25-30% range on peak summer August Tuesdays. This is the first day of the off peak period that will last through the 17th. So way too early to say how this historically slow few weeks will go, but off to a great start. And by the time we get to the next historically slow period on January 5th, we will have 2 approved vaccines and 20-25 million Americans with at least their first dose.

My point is this is the last slow period we will have without a vaccine - so if we can hold the line or make some gains as we did on day 1 - we are set up well for whatever impact 2 approved vaccines and shots going in arms gives to the flying public.


*there was a storm dec 1-2 2019 but those dates fell on Sunday/Monday. TSA compares same weekday so our Tuesdays number this year would be post storm - and as we know - load factors are near 100% on recovery day, so this leads me to believe that the % of last year numbers was not impacted by the storm or if they were, might be on to low side and not high.
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Old 12-02-2020, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1
Periodic lockdowns are only way to get through this until the vaccine becomes available to everyone.
I don't think there is much of a correlation between lockdowns and overall fatality rate from COVID-19. As shown on this graph, aside from the United States and Finland each of the displayed countries has been in some variance of lockdown since late October/early November.

Ironically Finland is the most lax with their COVID rules out of all the nations displayed (no masks, by the way).

Perhaps population density, overall health and culture play much more roles at COVID suppression than government response.

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Old 12-02-2020, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by AntiPeter
I don't think there is much of a correlation between lockdowns and overall fatality rate from COVID-19. As shown on this graph, aside from the United States and Finland each of the displayed countries has been in some variance of lockdown since late October/early November.

Ironically Finland is the most lax with their COVID rules out of all the nations displayed (no masks, by the way).

Perhaps population density, overall health and culture play much more roles at COVID suppression than government response.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-fi...del/a-55664117

https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland...-speakers.html
I should have said "not very many masks". In Finland they are recommended for adults on transportation.
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Old 12-02-2020, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker
I’m not saying staff with military. Staff with who’s available. I know a few nurses from medical flight days that are making bank all over the country and deservedly so. But yes staffing is clearly a problem right now.
Medical staffing - as the military found out when the draft went away and they ran out of Berry Plan doctors - is a long lead time item, measured in years, not months. In fact, they eventually built a Med school to grow their own.

There are prepropositioned field hospitals all over the globe and air transportable hospitals as well, but those are equipment packages. A couple of Hospital ships too, but those only have an anchor watch permanent crew. To make them functional - the ships or the field hospitals - you need to pull personnel from the other military hospitals - especially the big military medical centers - or call up Reserve medical personnel who are ALREADY involved in providing medical care. Not only that, people already treating patients have high COVID infection rates themselves, simply from prolonged and intensive exposure despite PPE.

A localized epidemic you can backfill with medical personnel from uninvolved areas. A pandemic, not so much...
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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1
Periodic lockdowns are only way to get through this until the vaccine becomes available to everyone.
Because they have worked so well before?
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