Vaccine Development Summary
12-02-2020, 06:11 AM
#511
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Interesting read about rushed vaccine development during the swine flu and vaccine tort immunity. Yes I am full vaccinated against horrific debilitating diseases but I am not jumping to take any of the new rushed COVID vaccines. Not for a disease that has a 98 to 99 survival rate with no long term Heath issues. Before you start my sister has had it and my 88 year old parents have just recovered from it. They all were just tired for about 14 days after the initial slight fever and Gastro issues all with no medication.
I want it asap, mainly because I'm hearing the FAA is starting to get funny with medical cert for some pilots who have lingering symptoms. Before that I didn't really care if I got it, I'm not particularly young but I'm very fit and health (more so than most 20-somethings). Plus all of us airline pilots NEED to economy and industry to come back... a bit hypocritical to complain about that and then decline to get vaccinated.
I'm also sick of wearing masks, so the sooner we can put that to rest the better.
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12-02-2020, 06:48 AM
#512
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12-02-2020, 06:58 AM
#513
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EU agency criticizes UK decision, digs in for bureaucratic slog.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...vid-19-vaccine
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...vid-19-vaccine
12-02-2020, 07:19 AM
#514
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ahhh "problematic." that old word. So loaded these days.
If the vaccines are safe and effective, and people die while waiting for them, are the scientists and administrators who slowed down their roll-out now as morally culpable as we've been told those who won't wear a mask are?
It's a weird logic game to play.
If the vaccines are safe and effective, and people die while waiting for them, are the scientists and administrators who slowed down their roll-out now as morally culpable as we've been told those who won't wear a mask are?
It's a weird logic game to play.
12-02-2020, 03:37 PM
#515
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They're not rushed. I postulated early on that they might go with emergency use authorization before completion of phase-3 (if covid was exterminating humanity) but that's not been the case.
I want it asap, mainly because I'm hearing the FAA is starting to get funny with medical cert for some pilots who have lingering symptoms. Before that I didn't really care if I got it, I'm not particularly young but I'm very fit and health (more so than most 20-somethings). Plus all of us airline pilots NEED to economy and industry to come back... a bit hypocritical to complain about that and then decline to get vaccinated.
I'm also sick of wearing masks, so the sooner we can put that to rest the better.
I want it asap, mainly because I'm hearing the FAA is starting to get funny with medical cert for some pilots who have lingering symptoms. Before that I didn't really care if I got it, I'm not particularly young but I'm very fit and health (more so than most 20-somethings). Plus all of us airline pilots NEED to economy and industry to come back... a bit hypocritical to complain about that and then decline to get vaccinated.
I'm also sick of wearing masks, so the sooner we can put that to rest the better.
12-02-2020, 06:13 PM
#516
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12-03-2020, 04:59 AM
#517
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The mRNA vaccine has been being developed for the better part of a decade, the only thing ‘new’ is that fact that it specifically targets the protein that SARS CoV-2 uses to infect humans. They basically just modified an existing technology to fight this specific disease.
There is also nothing wrong with their trial protocols. The only thing that was ‘rushed’ was the data review because regulators made it a priority and cut out needless red tape. The methods are sound and accepted. You’re afraid and skeptical because you lack basic yet critical understanding of exactly what has been going on over the past year.
12-03-2020, 06:13 AM
#518
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You really just don’t know what you’re talking about. They didn’t create this vaccine ‘from nothing’ or fail to do ‘proper testing’.
The mRNA vaccine has been being developed for the better part of a decade, the only thing ‘new’ is that fact that it specifically targets the protein that SARS CoV-2 uses to infect humans. They basically just modified an existing technology to fight this specific disease.
There is also nothing wrong with their trial protocols. The only thing that was ‘rushed’ was the data review because regulators made it a priority and cut out needless red tape. The methods are sound and accepted. You’re afraid and skeptical because you lack basic yet critical understanding of exactly what has been going on over the past year.
The mRNA vaccine has been being developed for the better part of a decade, the only thing ‘new’ is that fact that it specifically targets the protein that SARS CoV-2 uses to infect humans. They basically just modified an existing technology to fight this specific disease.
There is also nothing wrong with their trial protocols. The only thing that was ‘rushed’ was the data review because regulators made it a priority and cut out needless red tape. The methods are sound and accepted. You’re afraid and skeptical because you lack basic yet critical understanding of exactly what has been going on over the past year.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...id-19-vaccines
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3209
12-03-2020, 07:11 AM
#519
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Yea, I guess my concerns are unfounded! I guess these do not count!
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...id-19-vaccines
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3209
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...id-19-vaccines
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3209
And the optics of things like this - you beat us by a week so you must have done something wrong - are simply terrible, even if the vaccine itself is OK. It makes it sound like a Johnson measuring contest between different countries approval authorities.
13 hr 4 min ago
British health regulators who authorized Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine on Wednesday did not scrutinize the trial data as carefully as the US Food and Drug Administration is doing in its review, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, claimed.
“The way the FDA is, our FDA is doing it, is the correct way,” Fauci said in an interview on Fox News.
“We really scrutinize the data very carefully to guarantee to the American public that this is a safe and efficacious vaccine,” he said.
“I think if we did any less, we would add to the already existing hesitancy on the part of many people to take the vaccine because they're concerned about safety or they're concerned that we went too quickly."Fauci said it’s important that Americans feel good about a potential Covid-19 vaccine.
“So, it's almost a damned if you do and you're damned if you don't, because if you go quickly and you do it superficially, people are not going to want to get vaccinated,” he said.
“We have the gold standard of a regulatory approach with the FDA. The UK did not do it as carefully and they got a couple of days ahead,” he said. “I don't think that makes much difference. We'll be there. We'll be there very soon.”
UK didn't scrutinize Pfizer coronavirus vaccine trial data as carefully as US FDA is, Fauci says
From CNN Health’s Shelby Lin ErdmanBritish health regulators who authorized Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine on Wednesday did not scrutinize the trial data as carefully as the US Food and Drug Administration is doing in its review, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, claimed.
“The way the FDA is, our FDA is doing it, is the correct way,” Fauci said in an interview on Fox News.
“We really scrutinize the data very carefully to guarantee to the American public that this is a safe and efficacious vaccine,” he said.
“I think if we did any less, we would add to the already existing hesitancy on the part of many people to take the vaccine because they're concerned about safety or they're concerned that we went too quickly."Fauci said it’s important that Americans feel good about a potential Covid-19 vaccine.
“So, it's almost a damned if you do and you're damned if you don't, because if you go quickly and you do it superficially, people are not going to want to get vaccinated,” he said.
“We have the gold standard of a regulatory approach with the FDA. The UK did not do it as carefully and they got a couple of days ahead,” he said. “I don't think that makes much difference. We'll be there. We'll be there very soon.”
12-03-2020, 07:30 AM
#520
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You really just don’t know what you’re talking about. They didn’t create this vaccine ‘from nothing’ or fail to do ‘proper testing’.
The mRNA vaccine has been being developed for the better part of a decade, the only thing ‘new’ is that fact that it specifically targets the protein that SARS CoV-2 uses to infect humans. They basically just modified an existing technology to fight this specific disease.
There is also nothing wrong with their trial protocols. The only thing that was ‘rushed’ was the data review because regulators made it a priority and cut out needless red tape. The methods are sound and accepted. You’re afraid and skeptical because you lack basic yet critical understanding of exactly what has been going on over the past year.
The mRNA vaccine has been being developed for the better part of a decade, the only thing ‘new’ is that fact that it specifically targets the protein that SARS CoV-2 uses to infect humans. They basically just modified an existing technology to fight this specific disease.
There is also nothing wrong with their trial protocols. The only thing that was ‘rushed’ was the data review because regulators made it a priority and cut out needless red tape. The methods are sound and accepted. You’re afraid and skeptical because you lack basic yet critical understanding of exactly what has been going on over the past year.
Are you rushing when you plot your ETOPs point from the GPS and then quickly get back to US Today? Maybe you should be taking a fix on a celestial body and then do the math in the tables to be sure? If you're good at it, you can finish up just in time to start on the next fix. I mean that's how they did it in the 1950's, why are you rushing it today?
Money and resources allowed the compression of unnecessary delays in the process. They manufactured large quantities of multiple vaccines before they were approved (knowing they might have to flush them all down the drain). Bureaucrats are not working bankers hours, they are burning the oil to do their reviews.
I've been watching the process carefully, no sign of any shortcuts.
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