Ciceda

100% protesters fault. They were careless and the results were devastating. You don't think that people from "small towns in middle America" went to those tourist spots too that were flooded with tourists from highly infected areas (i.e. NYC) and brought the contagion back with them leading to those spikes? ohh forgot, the virus doesn't infect protesters or liberals.

pad39a

I think the way many protests were conducted was irresponsible, but Florida has been busily headed for a peak for a while now and Minnesota, where the protests all started, is just now seeing a measurable uptick. I’m confident the protests aided the spread, but I don’t think they’re responsible for anything close to the totality of the current case numbers.

If anything, the protests should help us have confidence that certain low risk segments of the population can mingle in this environment without a significant amount of risk.

Excargodog

The reality is that big cities - anywhere with a high population density - is almost always disproportionately affected by epidemics. It has been generally noted to be true since Biblical times. It’s just sort of the math. And the fact that they have historically been gathering places for industry and commerce. The wide open spaces and small towns have always been the best places to sit out a pandemic. Even now, with what’s going on in Florida, Texas, California, and Arizona The death RATE doesn’t even approach that of the East Coast states with their big and densely-packed cities. Hypocritical as it might be to permit large protest marches but deny other large meetings, it wouldn’t likely have changed the numbers appreciatively. Besides, what is the sense of giving an order you have neither the will nor the power to enforce.

One interesting factor in The rate of spread though - particularly but not exclusively in the Southwest - is the effect of newer building codes calling for better insulation and vapor barriers for energy conservation. The buildings are much “tighter.” In Arizona 70 years ago you probably had open windows ir “swamp cooler” type air conditioners bringing in outside air and diluting out any viral fomites. Now it’s all refrigerated and recirculated. The same for many big cities when it comes to heating. Part of what we may be seeing in the South right now might be the effect of more people being forced inside by summer heat and humidity.

Nacho Libre

You must be higher than Snoop. You honestly believe that?

More than enough people have been moving about to spread COVID. It isn’t a red or blue virus, yes protesters spread it, so did churches, tons of people get it at their jobs, others went to bars, restaurants, grocery stores, home stores, rallies, riots, families taking a road trip vacation, backyard BBQs with friends and family, weddings, birthday parties, some of our airline passengers, and on and on.

Until we get TOGETHER to beat the VIRUS It will continue to crush the US! It will destroy the health of some, will kill some, and financially damage a great percentage of us. There is definitely a political spin from BOTH the left and right. That is a fact. Unfortunately for the Citizens here there has been a lack of UNIFIED leadership against COVID.

There is a 233 page National Strategy for PANDEMIC INFLUENZA IMPLEMENTATION PLAN available for reading on the CDC website. It lays out a framework for dealing with a Pandemic health crisis (Coronavirus is not the Flu, but transmission and spread are similar) from the Homeland Security Council dated May 2006 in it on page 1 is a letter written by George W Bush. This very letter states “Our Nation will face this global threat United in purpose and united in action in order to best protect our families, our communities, our Nation, and our world from the threat of pandemic influenza.” Within the 233 pages are numerous times in which the Federal Government plays a LEADERSHIP role. Setting up a framework for each state to follow,
Command, Control, and Coordination of the Federal Response. There are many points :from communicating necessary FACTUAL information, coordinating action plans at the State, local, tribal, and community levels.
The point here is that too much of the burden has been placed on the State and local levels, there has been a huge void of containment, guidance related to protective measures, consistent communication, from the Federal Response.
This is why many of us citizens here feel that the Federal Response has been a disaster. Many other countries have had a consistent Top down plan that they put into action, probably similar to the plan we have here that hasn’t been used properly if at all.

Countries beating COVID follow the Science, consistently communicate ways to reduce the spread, unify the people against the virus, place high levels of responsibility on citizens, testing, tracing. The vast majority of Countries that had rapid testing, effective contact tracing, and limited movement of citizens were the first to limit spread, limit health impacts on their citizens, and limit economic damage.

Remember when it was a “hoax” and when testing made us look bad? That’s why people here are getting FORKED. You can’t spin a virus and lie about masks, and divide the country and BEAT the virus it just keeps coming.

Here is an article that kinda says the same thing only probably a good bit more smoothly.


https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...mulus-response


So Huell has actually been very correct in pointing out the BS Federal Response. It doesn’t appear that we even followed our own Pandemic Response Plan. If I get furloughed I will remember to send my “Thank You” to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Knobcrk1

Any proof of this?

itsmytime

of course not, but he doesn’t agree with the protests, so it’s much more fun to blame it on that.

Ciceda

Yes, but you're such a left wing kook that you wouldn't believe it any way so I will not waste my energy. Leaked emails show that when the riots started democrat's were already developing a media strategy to try to deflect blame for the inevitable COVID spike away from those mass gatherings to Churches, beaches, and taverns. Especially those located in the Red states (they are still ignoring the spike in California) .

Firefighterpilo

Yeah I guess it’s just coincidence that Covid cases were on the decline nationwide. Then national mass protests and looting erupted, quickly followed by a large spike in cases and infection. You are right though of course, there is no common sense correlation I just must be racist 🙄

Ciceda

That's what they want you to believe. But no, it must be those darn rednecks down on the beaches in Florida. Because COVID can spread easily on a beach with the sun, sand, and 30 mph breeze coming off the water but not in an enclosed city block with everybody shoulder to shoulder beating the police with clubs.

Excargodog

Correlation is not necessarily causation. COVID case levels are considerably lower in countries consuming high volumes of bubble tea. I doubt a cause and effect relationship though.