TSA numbers above 100k seven days in row
06-25-2020, 08:38 AM
#1082
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If you fly corporate your using a system that the government is paying for largely with airline tax revenue. Let’s all fight with each other like politicians.
06-25-2020, 08:59 AM
#1083
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Joined APC: May 2020
Posts: 484
CDC said "No need to wear a mask unless you're sick". Then months later, the CDC said "Wear a mask everywhere in public to minimize the spread of COVID-19".
Any reasonable, logical person can surely understand how those conflicting messages impacts the CDC's credibility with the public at large...especially as news came to light that early COVID-19 tests that came directly from the CDC in February *were flawed and didn't work*, costing valuable weeks to properly evaluate the virus' spread.
Sure, "the scientific community knows more now than we knew then" and all that, but the efficacy of mask usage didn't change and pointing to Asian cultures who have worn masks since SARS *now* in an effort to say "look how they've contained this thing" rings pretty hollow.
Just imagine the public buy-in and spread mitigation that could have occurred if the CDC had told everybody in early March, when wide community spread was becoming evident, "Don't rush out and buy N95s or surgical masks but wear some sort of cloth face covering when you're out in public. Wearing a mask won't necessarily prevent you from catching COVID-19, but if you do have it and are asymptomatic or presymptomatic it absolutely will minimize the amount of droplets with shed virus that you expel and almost certainly reduce further spread."
Alas, that was a judgement call then that has consequences today.
All that said, I'm wearing one when out and about for the greater good even as I think the self-sworn Mask Police need to take a Xanax and get a friggin' life.
Any reasonable, logical person can surely understand how those conflicting messages impacts the CDC's credibility with the public at large...especially as news came to light that early COVID-19 tests that came directly from the CDC in February *were flawed and didn't work*, costing valuable weeks to properly evaluate the virus' spread.
Sure, "the scientific community knows more now than we knew then" and all that, but the efficacy of mask usage didn't change and pointing to Asian cultures who have worn masks since SARS *now* in an effort to say "look how they've contained this thing" rings pretty hollow.
Just imagine the public buy-in and spread mitigation that could have occurred if the CDC had told everybody in early March, when wide community spread was becoming evident, "Don't rush out and buy N95s or surgical masks but wear some sort of cloth face covering when you're out in public. Wearing a mask won't necessarily prevent you from catching COVID-19, but if you do have it and are asymptomatic or presymptomatic it absolutely will minimize the amount of droplets with shed virus that you expel and almost certainly reduce further spread."
Alas, that was a judgement call then that has consequences today.
All that said, I'm wearing one when out and about for the greater good even as I think the self-sworn Mask Police need to take a Xanax and get a friggin' life.
06-25-2020, 09:03 AM
#1084
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The CDC is not starting out a relationship with the American public. They have been with us for decades now doing an overwhelming great job saving countless lives. That should be enough to earn your trust. And you would trust them if you weren't being asked to defy logic in an attempt to scape goat responsibility. Its like a toddler telling their parents that they don't love the child because they are enforcing some rule that is viewed as burdensome in the moment yet is being done with the best interest of the kid in mind.
But to go from the general issue to a more specific one:
Are you honestly going to maintain that the CDC knowingly lying to people About the mask situation early on was the RIGHT call? Forget the ad hominem attacks for a moment and please respond to that simple question.
06-25-2020, 09:45 AM
#1086
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Not everyone who has a different opinion than you is necessarily either a right wing zealot or an uneducated and unwashed Bubba. Sometimes they are merely honestly holding a competing opinion that is just as rational as yours. Someday you may be mature enough to acknowledge that without a lot of denigrating and name calling.
But to go from the general issue to a more specific one:
Are you honestly going to maintain that the CDC knowingly lying to people About the mask situation early on was the RIGHT call? Forget the ad hominem attacks for a moment and please respond to that simple question.
But to go from the general issue to a more specific one:
Are you honestly going to maintain that the CDC knowingly lying to people About the mask situation early on was the RIGHT call? Forget the ad hominem attacks for a moment and please respond to that simple question.
06-25-2020, 11:33 AM
#1087
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It has to do with people's attitudes regarding measures needed to contain the virus. When one is staying home while getting a full paycheck, their attitude may be different than someone who is now unemployed and receiving no or substantially reduced pay, or from someone who is continuing to work in order to receive pay. With so many airline pilots staying home so much that they are losing currency, but still getting government sponsored paychecks, thay may certainly influence their opinions. The big question will be how many opinions change on October 1st.
06-25-2020, 11:44 AM
#1088
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It started with Washington State Univ. 2.1 million deaths forecast.. reduced to 60k, then increased to 120k (approximates)
Does the virus live on surfaces and infect people or not?
Do we need masks or not?
What demographic does the virus affect the most?
Let's put positive elderly into nursing homes.
How much is a Covid death paying out?
Why were Blue States seeing exponentially higher deaths than Red States?
How are BLM Protests ok, kids cannot have graduations?
Why are protests NOT being considered as a reason for this weeks spikes?
Just a short list of the f^cked up b^llsh!t that "experts" have fumbled during the last 4 months...
And people wonder why others don't follow today's suggestions! Maybe, just maybe, people are sick of the "experts" being as poor at their jobs as the average Walmart greeter... Oh wait, Walmart and their hundreds of shoppers funneled into 3 checkout lines is way safer than having a mom and pop store open with maybe 10 customers...So there's that aslo
And then today the CDC is stating the infections are probably 10x higher than the current positives.... Which leads to... drum roll... a lower death rate!! DING DING DING.. we have a winner!!
What have we won? ?? I'll tell ya, a way lower death rate than what was originally announced by those same "experts" 4 month ago.. Remember when it was up in the 3-5% range.. oh now it's "certainly" in the <1.0 range, and most likely in the .3-.6 range..
Do we need to spell out why Americans are skeptical of the mandates being touted today as fact?
06-25-2020, 12:18 PM
#1089
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Posts: 553
The CDC, WHO, Washington State Univ., Dr. Fauci et all... They provided so much data that ended up being false, reduced, distorted, retracted... Any disparity between beliefs in masks, deaths etc, fall directly at their feet.
It started with Washington State Univ. 2.1 million deaths forecast.. reduced to 60k, then increased to 120k (approximates)
Does the virus live on surfaces and infect people or not?
Do we need masks or not?
What demographic does the virus affect the most?
Let's put positive elderly into nursing homes.
How much is a Covid death paying out?
Why were Blue States seeing exponentially higher deaths than Red States?
How are BLM Protests ok, kids cannot have graduations?
Why are protests NOT being considered as a reason for this weeks spikes?
Just a short list of the f^cked up b^llsh!t that "experts" have fumbled during the last 4 months...
And people wonder why others don't follow today's suggestions! Maybe, just maybe, people are sick of the "experts" being as poor at their jobs as the average Walmart greeter... Oh wait, Walmart and their hundreds of shoppers funneled into 3 checkout lines is way safer than having a mom and pop store open with maybe 10 customers...So there's that aslo
And then today the CDC is stating the infections are probably 10x higher than the current positives.... Which leads to... drum roll... a lower death rate!! DING DING DING.. we have a winner!!
What have we won? ?? I'll tell ya, a way lower death rate than what was originally announced by those same "experts" 4 month ago.. Remember when it was up in the 3-5% range.. oh now it's "certainly" in the <1.0 range, and most likely in the .3-.6 range..
Do we need to spell out why Americans are skeptical of the mandates being touted today as fact?
It started with Washington State Univ. 2.1 million deaths forecast.. reduced to 60k, then increased to 120k (approximates)
Does the virus live on surfaces and infect people or not?
Do we need masks or not?
What demographic does the virus affect the most?
Let's put positive elderly into nursing homes.
How much is a Covid death paying out?
Why were Blue States seeing exponentially higher deaths than Red States?
How are BLM Protests ok, kids cannot have graduations?
Why are protests NOT being considered as a reason for this weeks spikes?
Just a short list of the f^cked up b^llsh!t that "experts" have fumbled during the last 4 months...
And people wonder why others don't follow today's suggestions! Maybe, just maybe, people are sick of the "experts" being as poor at their jobs as the average Walmart greeter... Oh wait, Walmart and their hundreds of shoppers funneled into 3 checkout lines is way safer than having a mom and pop store open with maybe 10 customers...So there's that aslo
And then today the CDC is stating the infections are probably 10x higher than the current positives.... Which leads to... drum roll... a lower death rate!! DING DING DING.. we have a winner!!
What have we won? ?? I'll tell ya, a way lower death rate than what was originally announced by those same "experts" 4 month ago.. Remember when it was up in the 3-5% range.. oh now it's "certainly" in the <1.0 range, and most likely in the .3-.6 range..
Do we need to spell out why Americans are skeptical of the mandates being touted today as fact?
06-25-2020, 12:41 PM
#1090
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,030
It has to do with people's attitudes regarding measures needed to contain the virus. When one is staying home while getting a full paycheck, their attitude may be different than someone who is now unemployed and receiving no or substantially reduced pay, or from someone who is continuing to work in order to receive pay. With so many airline pilots staying home so much that they are losing currency, but still getting government sponsored paychecks, thay may certainly influence their opinions. The big question will be how many opinions change on October 1st.
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