Initial training and insurance
06-28-2015, 08:35 AM
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Initial training and insurance
The company i work for now seems to be in my opinion cutting corners.we are going to be training on a new airplane and the CP has had the bright idea to contract a vendor to do the initial inhouse.Dont insurance companies requiepre you to do sim instruction at least? One of the reason im looking elesewhere ,this has never happened to me in 34 years of flying...am i wrong? Any input please!!
06-28-2015, 12:04 PM
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I have trained on two aircraft in which we did "in-house" training with a contract instructor (one jet, one turbo-prop). All flight training was done in the actual aircraft.
I would have preferred to go to the sim since you can do things in the sim you can't really do in the airplane.
This was before 9/11 and I don't know how the insurance rules have changed since then.
I would have preferred to go to the sim since you can do things in the sim you can't really do in the airplane.
This was before 9/11 and I don't know how the insurance rules have changed since then.
06-29-2015, 05:54 PM
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Our insurance requires us to send pilots to FSI or CAE for new (different) airframes (non previously typed pilots). We gladly comply as we would do it anyway without the requirement. Simulator time is critical, IMO. As TheDude says, you can do things in a sim that you wouldn't ever do/or want to do in actual flight.
06-29-2015, 06:55 PM
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We also do all training in house for the C208.
For the P180, we do in house training for co pilots, for captains we send them to FSI.
In our case, insurance doesnt say anything, but there are different requirements from different clients.
For the P180, we do in house training for co pilots, for captains we send them to FSI.
In our case, insurance doesnt say anything, but there are different requirements from different clients.
06-30-2015, 03:49 AM
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Unfortunately this outside contractors, single man shows, can be approved by insurances, but there is no way they provide the same quality of training and follow up services as the different manufacture approved 142 training centers. There instructors have the infrastructures, the feedback form operators around the world, and the imputes form the engineers. They can be used as great references even after the training. You don't want to learn some old personal techniques. You want the latest and greatest SOP.
I did an in house recurrent once, for a turboprop, but thankfully I already had the initial done at FSI. The experience was just a joke.
Tell your CP that for safety reasons it's much better to get trained in a sim, that the relation with a manufacture training center can actually save you money on the long run, and that is a good idea to hire one of their instructors, after the course completion, to give you guys OE in the real plane. Of course your CP already knows all that, but remember that this is currently a pilot market.
I did an in house recurrent once, for a turboprop, but thankfully I already had the initial done at FSI. The experience was just a joke.
Tell your CP that for safety reasons it's much better to get trained in a sim, that the relation with a manufacture training center can actually save you money on the long run, and that is a good idea to hire one of their instructors, after the course completion, to give you guys OE in the real plane. Of course your CP already knows all that, but remember that this is currently a pilot market.
07-01-2015, 03:53 PM
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Unfortunately this outside contractors, single man shows, can be approved by insurances, but there is no way they provide the same quality of training and follow up services as the different manufacture approved 142 training centers. There instructors have the infrastructures, the feedback form operators around the world, and the imputes form the engineers. They can be used as great references even after the training. You don't want to learn some old personal techniques. You want the latest and greatest SOP.
I did an in house recurrent once, for a turboprop, but thankfully I already had the initial done at FSI. The experience was just a joke.
Tell your CP that for safety reasons it's much better to get trained in a sim, that the relation with a manufacture training center can actually save you money on the long run, and that is a good idea to hire one of their instructors, after the course completion, to give you guys OE in the real plane. Of course your CP already knows all that, but remember that this is currently a pilot market.
I did an in house recurrent once, for a turboprop, but thankfully I already had the initial done at FSI. The experience was just a joke.
Tell your CP that for safety reasons it's much better to get trained in a sim, that the relation with a manufacture training center can actually save you money on the long run, and that is a good idea to hire one of their instructors, after the course completion, to give you guys OE in the real plane. Of course your CP already knows all that, but remember that this is currently a pilot market.
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