Citation Question
01-11-2007, 03:57 PM
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Citation Question
Ok, So lets say you know a guy that flys a Citation II for his business. He has a type rating in the CII and a Single Pilot wavier. So this guy can fly his Citation around all by himself, but gets bored from time to time and asked you to accompany him on some trips. Say you also have a Commercial / Multi / IFR ticket, can you log SIC with this guy when you fly, and what would an SIC Type give you in this situation?
01-11-2007, 06:52 PM
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hmmmmm....I say yes you can log the sic time as long as you meet the min reqiurements for sic 61.55 I think or something close to that....if he choses to fly it as a crew and you meet the requirements then I think yes.....not really a sic type although there is a sic rating you can get....but it is not needed to fly the II sic. somebody smarter than me check my math will ya??
01-11-2007, 07:07 PM
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comply with 61.55 and you should be good to go.
The II is a two pilot airplane, hence the need for a single pilot waiver. You would be acting as SIC.
From what I understand, the SIC rating does not apply unless you fly to certian countries that require both pilots be "typed". The FAA used some good sense on this one to come up with this SIC ONLY type rating.
The II is a two pilot airplane, hence the need for a single pilot waiver. You would be acting as SIC.
From what I understand, the SIC rating does not apply unless you fly to certian countries that require both pilots be "typed". The FAA used some good sense on this one to come up with this SIC ONLY type rating.
01-12-2007, 04:04 AM
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I go with these guys and say yes. The straight Citation II is a two pilot aircraft. The fact that he chose to get a single pilot waiver only gives him a little more flexibility in it's operation, but he doesn't have to use the waiver. Here's something to think about: he's probably paying enough in additional insurance flying single pilot, that he could hire a co-pilot for the difference, hint, hint.
The Citation IISP is a little different story, in that it is certified single pilot right out the door and is equipped and weight limited for that reason, and any typed PIC can fly solo in it without a waiver. Still might be able to log SIC in one of them too, but I'm not sure of the in's and out's of that.
You will need a 61.55 checkout, which he, or any typed PIC can administer. Just look it up and see what it entails - basically a review of the systems, normal, abnormal, and emergency procedures, and minimum of three take-offs and landings. It's good for a year. Don't pencil-whip this. It's only to his and your benefit that this be given a fair amount of attention and is done properly.
You don't need an SIC type rating, unless planning to operate in a foreign country that requires both pilots to be typed.
The Citation IISP is a little different story, in that it is certified single pilot right out the door and is equipped and weight limited for that reason, and any typed PIC can fly solo in it without a waiver. Still might be able to log SIC in one of them too, but I'm not sure of the in's and out's of that.
You will need a 61.55 checkout, which he, or any typed PIC can administer. Just look it up and see what it entails - basically a review of the systems, normal, abnormal, and emergency procedures, and minimum of three take-offs and landings. It's good for a year. Don't pencil-whip this. It's only to his and your benefit that this be given a fair amount of attention and is done properly.
You don't need an SIC type rating, unless planning to operate in a foreign country that requires both pilots to be typed.
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01-12-2007, 05:15 AM
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The only excitement to getting the SIC type listed on your certificate is that once it's on there, it won't disappear unless you request to have it taken off; kind of like a permanent reminder that you flew the airplane. Other than that, it's no different than the simple signoff that you get to act as SIC in that airplane. Of course having that on your certificate also puts a bullseye on your back of sorts because having it on your certificate means you'll have to answer questions about the airplane in future interviews.
01-12-2007, 12:01 PM
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I go with these guys and say yes. The straight Citation II is a two pilot aircraft. The fact that he chose to get a single pilot waiver only gives him a little more flexibility in it's operation, but he doesn't have to use the waiver. Here's something to think about: he's probably paying enough in additional insurance flying single pilot, that he could hire a co-pilot for the difference, hint, hint.
The Citation IISP is a little different story, in that it is certified single pilot right out the door and is equipped and weight limited for that reason, and any typed PIC can fly solo in it without a waiver. Still might be able to log SIC in one of them too, but I'm not sure of the in's and out's of that.
You will need a 61.55 checkout, which he, or any typed PIC can administer. Just look it up and see what it entails - basically a review of the systems, normal, abnormal, and emergency procedures, and minimum of three take-offs and landings. It's good for a year. Don't pencil-whip this. It's only to his and your benefit that this be given a fair amount of attention and is done properly.
You don't need an SIC type rating, unless planning to operate in a foreign country that requires both pilots to be typed.
The Citation IISP is a little different story, in that it is certified single pilot right out the door and is equipped and weight limited for that reason, and any typed PIC can fly solo in it without a waiver. Still might be able to log SIC in one of them too, but I'm not sure of the in's and out's of that.
You will need a 61.55 checkout, which he, or any typed PIC can administer. Just look it up and see what it entails - basically a review of the systems, normal, abnormal, and emergency procedures, and minimum of three take-offs and landings. It's good for a year. Don't pencil-whip this. It's only to his and your benefit that this be given a fair amount of attention and is done properly.
You don't need an SIC type rating, unless planning to operate in a foreign country that requires both pilots to be typed.
couple of good points in this quote!!! Thats what I really wanted to say... Aero550 your so smart....
01-12-2007, 02:29 PM
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The Citation IISP is a little different story, in that it is certified single pilot right out the door and is equipped and weight limited for that reason, and any typed PIC can fly solo in it without a waiver. Still might be able to log SIC in one of them too, but I'm not sure of the in's and out's of that.
01-12-2007, 04:28 PM
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There are some nuggets of wisdom in this thread: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/showthread.php?t=8148 . Riding SIC in a IISP would be exactly the same as riding SIC in a King Air 200. Look particularly at post #10 in that thread, I think that's the ticket.
I still think you'd want to get yourself as knowledgeable about the aircraft as possible, so that if asked in an interview situation about the experience, they might give you credit for it.
I still think you'd want to get yourself as knowledgeable about the aircraft as possible, so that if asked in an interview situation about the experience, they might give you credit for it.
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