flyguy820

Hey I'm looking for some real operating numbers for the Phenom 100, Eclipse 500, and Cessna Citation 1 Stallion. Specifically I'm looking for max range with full fuel and speed. As well as average mx costs. Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

FlyingNasaForm

I fly a P100 in Singapore. First off, don't buy one. Our is very well maintained but breaks constantly. Our dispatch reliability rate is 93% and we're based at a service center, and have complied with every SB out there (over 50) that increases reliability. (Fleet wide dx reliability is 98.5% according to EMB).

The whole plane is built very cheaply. I would consider a TBM 850, you get almost the same speed (330TAS in the P11 vs 320 in the 850), and same seating with better range. Or if you don't mind spending a little more in operating costs get a Nextant 400XT.

The P100 cabin is very uncomfortable and loud. The seats do not swivel or recline because of the lav rigid door and the forward cabinet. The fan to run the environmental system is very loud. There is also no interior storage for bags. Embraer claims there is but the way the forward cabinet is designed you can't even fit a rolling laptop bag in it. So there is no way to legally bring baggage in the main cabin. Put it this way: My boss's wife would rather fly business class (remember we are in Singapore = quality airlines) than on his plane.

The G1000 avionics suck. They are very pretty to look at but it's amazing what features they lack compared to an FMS designed in the early 1980s.

It's contaminated runway numbers are pretty poor since you have no spoilers or thrust reversers.

The Phenom is built for a guy who owns a cirrus who wants to fly a jet. That's all its' really good for. With full fuel your useful load is 622lbs. That will include your stores (snacks, charts, manuals, etc.) pilots, pax and bags.

Now to answer your questions:

MX Costs:
I'd recommend signing up for Embraer's EEC Enhanced. For a one time buy in + fixed monthly + hourly rate you get almost tip to tail coverage. Pretty much everything significant that break is covered, including AOGs away from a service center. We are in Asia so our mx cost numbers are going to be more expensive than in the US. I'd call a sales rep and ask them for EEC Gold costs. I would also look into P&WC ESP Gold coverage which covers engine overhaul and hot section inspection.

I'd plan around $1000/hr for direct operating costs.

Range:
No wind, LRC you could do 1400nm (4+10, 330TAS) and land with 45min of fuel at FL400 (369lbs), and I would be scared to death. NBA IFR Range (100nm alternate is 1195nm)

In the US I'd plan about 1100-1200nm as your max range realistically. If you have specific routes in mind I can run them through ARINC and get you accurate numbers for any time of the year. I also can run TOLD data if you want.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Ziggy

I also fly the P100, and I wouldn't buy one because of the service and support alone. We are having major issues with warranty and parts availability. And of course as mentioned above the fit and finish of the interior is lousy. Not what you would expect for a 3.6 million aircraft.

FlyingNasaForm

Interesting. Our support here in Singapore is great. We have had multiple AOGs in countries with no service centers and Emb routinely has parts and a service center mechanic there within 12 hours. I figured US support would be even better.

flyguy820

Wow thanks! That helps alot! I'm also looking at the Premier 1 if any one has some pros/cons for that I appreciate all the help I can get!

Thanks

1Wingnut

I also fly the Phenom 100, and would have to agree with what FNF and Ziggy have said about it. If you are looking at the Premier, I should point out that it is a step up in size from the Phenom - more seating, more power, range and speed, and the Proline 21 is better than the Garmin Prodigy, IMHO. At least you can build a hold in the Proline 21.

drrhythm2

I'm about to start flying a Phenom 300 - are those suffering the same maintenance issues as the -100 or did they get them ironed out somewhat?