Breaking into corporate
#21
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I'm still confused why everyone hates this guy.
Brokeasdope, I'm on your side. Good for you for wanting to better your career and asking who you thought might be able to help. My best advice is to stay off these boards. You can get MUCH better advice elsewhere, and network better. If you don't like instructing, don't do it. If it's your only means on flying and income, try and like it, make it fun somehow. Fly more cross countries to airports with restaurants. Challenge your students to contests and put beers on it.
Plenty of people have gotten on corporate gigs with your time, but a) it is the minority b) they are usually horrible QOL jobs and c) you HAVE to know someone.
You have nothing to lose, so go talk to people. Build hours, then talk to them again. Don't let these haters bash on you for wanting a better job. They are the ones who are entitled be because they walked 6 miles through snow from the hangar to the airplane everyday.
There is very little in this career field that differentiates people, find out how you can.
And I'm not some other low time guy on your side. I have been around a little bit, not forever, but a little bit.
Brokeasdope, I'm on your side. Good for you for wanting to better your career and asking who you thought might be able to help. My best advice is to stay off these boards. You can get MUCH better advice elsewhere, and network better. If you don't like instructing, don't do it. If it's your only means on flying and income, try and like it, make it fun somehow. Fly more cross countries to airports with restaurants. Challenge your students to contests and put beers on it.
Plenty of people have gotten on corporate gigs with your time, but a) it is the minority b) they are usually horrible QOL jobs and c) you HAVE to know someone.
You have nothing to lose, so go talk to people. Build hours, then talk to them again. Don't let these haters bash on you for wanting a better job. They are the ones who are entitled be because they walked 6 miles through snow from the hangar to the airplane everyday.
There is very little in this career field that differentiates people, find out how you can.
And I'm not some other low time guy on your side. I have been around a little bit, not forever, but a little bit.
#22
ya he got sour towards the end but at the beginning he was a enthusiastic newbie asking for advice only to have his passion questioned, referred to as entitled, and told he'd be better off in a different career...
trying to get on at a low time regional might be the best option for time building. i understand 121 might not be your end game, but taking a gig in the right seat of a 145 at 550TT is a good gig.
trying to get on at a low time regional might be the best option for time building. i understand 121 might not be your end game, but taking a gig in the right seat of a 145 at 550TT is a good gig.
The OP might be one of those generation who has grown up being told that everyone wins a medal at the end of the game and is now finding out tha.t life isn't quite so rosy (or fair) and no......everyone doesn't win in the end.
USMCFLYR
#23
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Because he ASKED for advice? Give me a break. Maybe you are of the generation that hates young people with their iPads and Blackberries and dang rock 'n roll.
#24
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Broke,
A lot of haters on these forums. U can pretty much figure out who they are. As for advice, I would recommend sticking with instructing, and networking like crazy. Keep firing at the target, and you will eventually hit it. Pick up side jobs, flying shotgun for the docs or pipeline patrol. Maybe get an instructor gig that you can transition to the multi-side or 135 part time. Good luck, n hang in there. It will happen.
A lot of haters on these forums. U can pretty much figure out who they are. As for advice, I would recommend sticking with instructing, and networking like crazy. Keep firing at the target, and you will eventually hit it. Pick up side jobs, flying shotgun for the docs or pipeline patrol. Maybe get an instructor gig that you can transition to the multi-side or 135 part time. Good luck, n hang in there. It will happen.
#25
As for haters - no to iPads (I'm on one right now ), blackberries (would these be the same ones who interupt a face to face conversation to answer their iPhones or texts?) if so - Yes. Dang rock-roll? No - but I sure hope you aren't trying to call any of the current music "young people" are listening to nowadays as any sort of rock-n-roll. Yes - to most of the current music I hear.
Anything else you'd like to ask about?
The last responses sounded like a retort from a kid who has never been told 'No ' before. There is a lot of good advice on these boards and to suggest otherwise as you did (when you suggested the OP not come on these boards) is blind at bet. The advice won't be all peaches and cream as little in aviation is as sweet in these times. Btw - you really know 'plenty of people' who got corporate gigs in jets with 500+TT?
USMCFLYR
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#26
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Reading the responses and their overwhelming negative attitude is exactly what led me to describe them as "haters". As for the OP, I can't blame him for coming off defensive after being derided by several posters for asking a question in which admitted being very low time, knowing he didn't have a great shot, and also stating he would consider 135 flying. To me, he/she is just someone trying to find their way in this career that doesn't need to be chastised for asking a question. I see no entitlement.
As for corporate gigs... yes, I do know "plenty of people" who have gotten corporate gigs with around 550tt (at least under 1000). But these people a) went to UND and worked in MN/ND/IA. b)Worked for a year plus on FBO ramps c)Got very lucky d)Knew someone. It can happen is all I am saying.
It's not generational. The OP stated he would be willing to work 135 etc, he just doesn't want to flight instruct.
As for corporate gigs... yes, I do know "plenty of people" who have gotten corporate gigs with around 550tt (at least under 1000). But these people a) went to UND and worked in MN/ND/IA. b)Worked for a year plus on FBO ramps c)Got very lucky d)Knew someone. It can happen is all I am saying.
It's not generational. The OP stated he would be willing to work 135 etc, he just doesn't want to flight instruct.
#27
Reading the responses and their overwhelming negative attitude is exactly what led me to describe them as "haters". As for the OP, I can't blame him for coming off defensive after being derided by several posters for asking a question in which admitted being very low time, knowing he didn't have a great shot, and also stating he would consider 135 flying. To me, he/she is just someone trying to find their way in this career that doesn't need to be chastised for asking a question. I see no entitlement.
As for corporate gigs... yes, I do know "plenty of people" who have gotten corporate gigs with around 550tt (at least under 1000). But these people a) went to UND and worked in MN/ND/IA. b)Worked for a year plus on FBO ramps c)Got very lucky d)Knew someone. It can happen is all I am saying.
It's not generational. The OP stated he would be willing to work 135 etc, he just doesn't want to flight instruct.
As for corporate gigs... yes, I do know "plenty of people" who have gotten corporate gigs with around 550tt (at least under 1000). But these people a) went to UND and worked in MN/ND/IA. b)Worked for a year plus on FBO ramps c)Got very lucky d)Knew someone. It can happen is all I am saying.
It's not generational. The OP stated he would be willing to work 135 etc, he just doesn't want to flight instruct.
#29
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We all are striving for that dream job... the newer airplane, a solid benefit package, better owners, higher pay etc.
I have a few thousand turbojet hours flying 135 but there are many great jobs that I'm grossly unqualified for. I've asked for advice here landing that dream gig, one that may be 5-10 years down the road. So I won't criticize anyone for coming on here and asking for help to guide the way, as much of a longshot as it may be.
Realistically at ~500 hours TT it's hard to make the jump right into a corporate or charter environment. You either need to build up flight time, or build a strong network in the industry (preferably both). Consider taking a job that can get you face time with pilots and operators such as FBO/line service, aircraft detailing or maintenance. Once you make acquaintance, ask what qualifications they want in new-hires. They'll most likely say what others here have, but at least you've planted a seed.
Continue to build time and fill out your resume, work hard and work smart. Be humble and easy-going. No one wants to hire, train and fly long trips with someone with a chip on their shoulder. Good luck.
I have a few thousand turbojet hours flying 135 but there are many great jobs that I'm grossly unqualified for. I've asked for advice here landing that dream gig, one that may be 5-10 years down the road. So I won't criticize anyone for coming on here and asking for help to guide the way, as much of a longshot as it may be.
Realistically at ~500 hours TT it's hard to make the jump right into a corporate or charter environment. You either need to build up flight time, or build a strong network in the industry (preferably both). Consider taking a job that can get you face time with pilots and operators such as FBO/line service, aircraft detailing or maintenance. Once you make acquaintance, ask what qualifications they want in new-hires. They'll most likely say what others here have, but at least you've planted a seed.
Continue to build time and fill out your resume, work hard and work smart. Be humble and easy-going. No one wants to hire, train and fly long trips with someone with a chip on their shoulder. Good luck.
#30
No, I don't think it was. Man, there are some serious d-bags on this board. Brokeasdope - knock on all the doors you can wherever you want to be. Build a friendship and foundation with those prospective employers. Ask them what you truly need to have on paper in order to be hired. The relationship building will take care of the rest. But you have to show you want to be there. Will you need more than 550 hrs to land even an SIC gig in a Pilatus or King Air? Maybe, maybe not. SatJak and whoever the hell else on here doesn't know because they're not you and they're certainly not the end all authority on the subject. That is, unless you're trying to work for them!
Don't let all this BS get in your head. Total number of hours is far less important that the relationship you can build with the pilots in the Flight Department. Keep your head up and good luck. The world needs less a-hole pilots!
Don't let all this BS get in your head. Total number of hours is far less important that the relationship you can build with the pilots in the Flight Department. Keep your head up and good luck. The world needs less a-hole pilots!
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