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Old 07-11-2011, 10:51 AM
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Could someone give me a realistic rough hourly burn 1st, 2nd etc and no wind range with IFR reserve for six pax please.
Also what kind of short field distance required for two hour trip at 30c with say five pax. Looking as alternative to Hawker 7 or 800 and need to make realistic comparisons.

Or if someone wants to PM me some takeoff data charts that would be awesome.

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Old 07-11-2011, 09:13 PM
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Been a few years but the III we would usually plan 2000, 1500, 1300 each hour after... flying above 40 doing around .82ish. It was a runway pig in the summer though I was flying out of CO. I don't have TO numbers.

A 900 fuel flow is about the same... but its heavier and slower. Doesn't seem to take as much of a hit with high density alt the 3/7 did. This is just from memory and I don't have the numbers in front of me to prove it. Hawkers cabin is a lot nicer.

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Old 07-12-2011, 04:42 AM
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I'm pretty sure any 650-series Citation doesn't belong in the same sentence as "short field".
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Originally Posted by NiterRunner
Good day all,

Could someone give me a realistic rough hourly burn 1st, 2nd etc and no wind range with IFR reserve for six pax please.
Also what kind of short field distance required for two hour trip at 30c with say five pax. Looking as alternative to Hawker 7 or 800 and need to make realistic comparisons.

Or if someone wants to PM me some takeoff data charts that would be awesome.

Thanks people
Yabadaba is spot on with fuel burns... usually our second hour we see around 1600lb/hr with five pax in the summer in the FL 370-390 range.

NBAA IFR Reserve Fuel for the 650 is 1541lbs.

Let's say a 20,000lb departure @ 30C S.L. will be around 4900' (bleeds off, flaps 20, without APR) ; 2000' elevation will give you 5660'

19,000lb departure @ 30C S.L. = 4510' and at 2000' elevation is 5120' (bleeds off, flaps 20, without APR)

20,000lb landing @ 30C S.L. (zero wind, flaps full, no reverse, over 50' obstacle, Vref 130) = 3020' ; and 1000' elevation will give you 3120'

18,000lb landing @ 30C S.L. (just like above config., Vref 125) = 2780', and 2000' elevation gives you 2940'

Realistically, we've squeezed about 1800nm out during the summer going East with 5 pax.
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The runway numbers given are accurate. It likes to hug the ground on the takeoff ground roll. Awesome brakes though, so landing distances are good.

I've personally flown 5 pax in a III (high 100 ser. #) with the 22k takeoff weight from CYVR to KROC, 1950nm. It easily has >2000 nm range with the higher gross weight, but you have to step climb and be accurate with the use of long range cruise.
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