cjdriver

Possible overun or balked landing at Cresco, IA after running into weather in southern Minnesota and diverting. Would anyone familiar with the C560 care to comment on trying to land an Encore on a 2900ft runway such as exists at the accident airport? I know th CJ could do it, but it would be tight.

News report:
http://www.wapt.com/news/9545278/det...s=jac&psp=news

Flight track:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N636SE

Airport info:
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KCJJ

FAA Report:
http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/a...a/01_636SE.txt

dekora

Interesting reading the City of Cresco is now back to wanting to build a 5,000' regional airport with Decorah (DEH) and Howard and Winneshiek counties. (Cresco has three C172/150 planes based there - Decorah has almost 30)

My sympathies to the pilots' families - a sad loss.

I've been to the scene. That craft was waaaay too hot coming in, trying to avoid severe weather. Flightaware's log of the flight shows just minutes before the event, they lost over 8,000 of altitude in one minute, without gaining airspeed. The jet over shot the runway, drove almost 1/3 of a mile through a soybean field, slammed into the ditch of Highway 9, vaulted across the highway - leaving much of their plane at the edge of the road. The plane stopped some 750' north of the highway.

Many locals fear if the new regional airport is built, and another incident occurs - this time with a 737 - Cresco will want to build a 10,000' runway!!

ultradrvr

I fly an Encore and it will stop in 2900ft given light wieghts and a dry runway, however, pilot reports say they landed downwind...strike one.. wet runway..strike two...and long....strike three.....we dont know what was truely going on, if they had an emergency or what.....it looked like the tail was in fairly good shape so maybe the data/voice recorder will help out...a bad deal anyway u cut it.

Oscar13601

My sympathy to the family...

Robcol

I'm not assigning blame. I personally knew and flew with one of the guys that died. He has done my biannual signoffs for several years now. He was one of the youngest pilots to ever sit in the left seat of a commercial jet. He lived to fly. The times I flew with Jim, we did everything by the book. He was a consumate professional. Why do I tell you this? I can't believe even now a week later that he was flying a healthy plane. He would not have picked this runway (i can't imagine) unless there was trouble. I think that if he had picked it, he would certainly landed upwind. As many times as we simulated engine out in my C182 and looked for fields, I know he would have done this. It is amazingly frustrating how long investigations take. I am looking to get some idea of how this happened. Jim was a good guy.

GauleyPilot

I had good friends who were good pilots die in crashes. It is hard to deal with. It is hard when it is your first experience hitting that close to home.

ultradrvr

Thats good to hear....I love to hear about corporate guys who fly by the book....I hope he was fighting to the end...thats how im gonna go down....swinging.......it does appear that he saved his passengers....good for him and his partner...sorry for your loss of a good friend and pilot.

LAfrequentflyer

I lost my father two years ago - he was flying a bell 206 off-shore for PHI in the Gulf of Mexico. To this day I can't believe he isn't going to walk thru the door and say he's sorry he's late - decided to look at cars on the way home.

Fortunately, My father was able to land on a heli-port while having an heart attack. His pasanger and close friend of 19 years lived to tell the NTSB / FAA what happened.

I thought my father was bullet-proof. In his 38 years of flying helos he had more than his share of close calls- including a few engine failures over the Gulf...

-LAFF

aviatrix

[QUOTE=LAfrequentflyer]I lost my father two years ago

Here's hoping that for all of us, aviation gives more than it takes away.

dadsgirl

My Dad did go down swinging along with the co-pilot, Jim. My Dad had been flying for 35 years. The co-pilot had been flying for 25. Between the 2 of them they had over 25000 hrs flight time. I appreciate Robcol's comment and I agree. Something had to be wrong with the plane..it is my belief that Dad diverted to Cresco to avoid putting any additional lives at risk than were already. He was within minutes of Rochester when he diverted. Had the plane bn fine he would have put it down in Rochester,no matter the weather..Also in looking @ the crashes this year invoiving this model of plane they all came in too fast + overshot...hmmm..