The downward spiral of the Pilot Profession?
03-05-2010, 01:36 PM
#11
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 450
...and now that retail job isn't sounding so bad.
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03-09-2010, 01:24 PM
#12
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: Crj-50 CA
Posts: 32
Hopefully by the time someone has accumulated those times (2000 PIC and 1000 in type !!!) they would realize what a pathetic offer 24K / year is. Looking at the ProPilot survey from 06/2009 the lowest FO pay is 30K for a CJ1 with 35K being average and 45K at the high end.
The only way I could see anyone taking that kind of pay would be maybe 1000 TT and it might be a step up from instructing.
The only way I could see anyone taking that kind of pay would be maybe 1000 TT and it might be a step up from instructing.
03-09-2010, 02:31 PM
#13
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 6
I wouldn't be to quick to throw stones, you know the old saying you need to be in a flying job to get a flying job, if your unemployed over a year you will feel like no one will ever look at you again unless you have currency or stay current. As for clm350 my state requires that you have to find two contact a week to collect unemployment....that web site makes it really easy.
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03-09-2010, 04:19 PM
#14
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I personally refuse to pay for a job website. If a company needs employees and they feel they need to advertise to get the number of applications they want to fill the job, then I should not have to pay to see that ad. In every other industry, the company with the position pays the publication for the access to their audience. In aviation, the company is smart enough to know that they can get plenty of applications without having to pay for a job posting somewhere, so these websites make their money off of desperate, out of work pilots instead.
I also refuse to pay money to submit an application for a job (I'll reenter my information in Airlineapps a hundred times before I pay for a subscription) and I would laugh at a company that would suggest I pay them for the opportunity to interview. I'm not about to patronize a company (yet alone work for one) that preys on the desperate unemployed.
I also refuse to pay money to submit an application for a job (I'll reenter my information in Airlineapps a hundred times before I pay for a subscription) and I would laugh at a company that would suggest I pay them for the opportunity to interview. I'm not about to patronize a company (yet alone work for one) that preys on the desperate unemployed.
03-11-2010, 09:10 AM
#15
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 320 F.O.
Posts: 1,386
Unfortunatly we have done this to our selfs. We have pilots willing to pay for training and or type ratings to get jobs. The downward spiral began with Southwest's requirement for a 737 type and programs like it and it spread to corporate from there. However, climb to 350/fly contract/airline apps all serve their purpose. We created this market now we get to deal with it. We all need OWN UP and move forward. As long as there are more pilots then jobs we will have this imbalance so those of you who want out PLEASE GO, that is one less qualified/quality guy I have to compete against. I love this industry and I see it coming back, everyday I hear of new job opportunities hang in there or get out either way our industry is recovering.
03-11-2010, 07:52 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: Left Seat Line Pilot
Posts: 16
Anybody with those minimums who accepts that pay is either lying about his/her qualifications or is just plain stupid and if ever met you and you actually admitted to that I would be more than happy to tell you what an idiot you are. Thanks for screwing up the industry and any owner/operator that would stoop that low deserves what they get. That just sucks ! Don't do it !!!!
03-13-2010, 12:50 PM
#19
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: F-16
Posts: 21
I was just wondering who here has or plans on paying for the right to view/apply to jobs on sites such as climbto350, bizjetjobs, willflyforfood etc. I personally have in the past and it just makes me sick. I have subscribed to climbto350 and know others that have subscribed to the other two. These websites are exactly what is wrong with aviation. The pilots are just being used to make money and alot of companies can't even do that. We pay for schooling as it should be, we pay to find jobs(climbto350), we pay for type ratings, some employers now are even charging pilots $250 just to be interviewed are you kidding me! What next, pilots fly for free or pay to fly. Oh wait that is already happening. I know I sound bitter, maybe I am but I just want to hear why people are still paying for these services. I have been able to find a ton of sites that list aviation jobs for FREE. I have seen pretty much every job that was listed on climbto350 on these free sites and also some that weren't on 350. So why in the world are pilots falling into this downward spiral of paying for everything when we get very little out of it. I know supply and demand, but where is the breaking point?
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Pay to interview?? Are you kidding me?? please tell what company that is, that's ridiculous!
I saw that posting on 350 the other day as well, made me sick... who in their own right mind would actually post that job thinking that pay is sufficient enough? I'm embarrassed for the person who actually posted that! If someone has a 1000 PIC turbine why would they ever think that someone would be willing to sit in the right seat for such lousy pay??... this poor industry, as much as I love it, needs to be fixed.
03-14-2010, 03:56 PM
#20
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Joined APC: Nov 2009
Posts: 73
After getting kicked to the curb at NJ, I make more than that as an apprentice with my bro-in-law's plumbing company. No way in He#$ I'm chasing one of these garbage flying gigs, just to stay in the game. Best of luck to any sucker who takes the bait!
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