Safety Management Systems (SMS)
#1
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Safety Management Systems (SMS)
Does anyone have any idea what operational restrictions would be imposed by various countries for flight departments that fail to create an SMS?
Links to applicable resources and documention of potential penalties would be very much appreciated.
Thanks!
Links to applicable resources and documention of potential penalties would be very much appreciated.
Thanks!
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I would give the Isbao (IBAC) folks a call or fire off an email.
Here's what the issue is:
"The International Civil Aviation Organization Standards found in Annex 6, Part 2 specify that a SMS requirement be incorporated into national safety regulations for operators of non-commercial aircraft over 12,500 pounds maximum takeoff weight or turbojet powered aircraft. The compliance date for these standards is November 2010. Annex 6 Part 1 of the ICAO Standards required compliance beginning on January 1, 2009 for commercial operators."
I went to the SMS class at TEB last month and here's what I got out of it.
The Europeans are all over the place. Easa is not going to take over until 2012, so until then each country's regulations apply. Effective 11/18/2010, the French could make it mandatory and do a ramp/SAFA check and hold you on the ground until you get one. The UK may not, it's up until the individual country until EASA takes over. Bottom line is it's coming so why wait to get one?
The US has said that it will wait until 2013 until we decide what to do, no surprise here. IMHO, we will wait until EASA has told us what to do. The FAA has no money and the Europeans are driving the bus.
The Canadians came out last week and said that they won't require an SMS for foreign registered aircraft. The Bermudians already require for aircraft registered in Bermuda so as of 11/2010, IMHO they will want one for foreign operators too.
We are in a gray area. If you never leave the USA then don't worry about until 2013. If you travel internationally then, it depends upon the country the you are visiting but as of November any ICAO registered country has the right to enforce an SMS.
If you try to do it on your own then who do you get to approve it?
Problem is that the FAA has NO real guidance on what to do (they don't care because they have told the world we will get to it in 2013). So your local FSDO can not approve it.
My suggestion is to purchase the ISBAO SMS manual and tailor to your operation. It's is ICAO approved and should be accepted by all Icao countries.
Here's what the issue is:
"The International Civil Aviation Organization Standards found in Annex 6, Part 2 specify that a SMS requirement be incorporated into national safety regulations for operators of non-commercial aircraft over 12,500 pounds maximum takeoff weight or turbojet powered aircraft. The compliance date for these standards is November 2010. Annex 6 Part 1 of the ICAO Standards required compliance beginning on January 1, 2009 for commercial operators."
I went to the SMS class at TEB last month and here's what I got out of it.
The Europeans are all over the place. Easa is not going to take over until 2012, so until then each country's regulations apply. Effective 11/18/2010, the French could make it mandatory and do a ramp/SAFA check and hold you on the ground until you get one. The UK may not, it's up until the individual country until EASA takes over. Bottom line is it's coming so why wait to get one?
The US has said that it will wait until 2013 until we decide what to do, no surprise here. IMHO, we will wait until EASA has told us what to do. The FAA has no money and the Europeans are driving the bus.
The Canadians came out last week and said that they won't require an SMS for foreign registered aircraft. The Bermudians already require for aircraft registered in Bermuda so as of 11/2010, IMHO they will want one for foreign operators too.
We are in a gray area. If you never leave the USA then don't worry about until 2013. If you travel internationally then, it depends upon the country the you are visiting but as of November any ICAO registered country has the right to enforce an SMS.
If you try to do it on your own then who do you get to approve it?
Problem is that the FAA has NO real guidance on what to do (they don't care because they have told the world we will get to it in 2013). So your local FSDO can not approve it.
My suggestion is to purchase the ISBAO SMS manual and tailor to your operation. It's is ICAO approved and should be accepted by all Icao countries.
#3
Thanks for the info, G4G5....the lack of info on what ultimately would be "approved" (or if it'll even NEED to be approved) has me wary of developing an in-house SMS which would be my preferred method.
I'm considering doing the ARGUS PRISM SMS, which is ISBAO-compliant...
I'm considering doing the ARGUS PRISM SMS, which is ISBAO-compliant...
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