Captain who doesn't share flying?
10-22-2009, 01:36 PM
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The whole "which seat does this guy sit in" thing was a bit strange to me when I transitioned to 135/corporate from the 121 world.
I share all legs with my Co-Captain (both typed, same qualifications) and we switch seats and only fly from the left seat. It is great to have experience in both seats. Plus I think it gets boring to sit on one side for too long.
I share all legs with my Co-Captain (both typed, same qualifications) and we switch seats and only fly from the left seat. It is great to have experience in both seats. Plus I think it gets boring to sit on one side for too long.
10-23-2009, 09:44 AM
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Welcome to the corporate part 91 world. You run into all types here. Not getting to do the driving can be lots of things. What it boils down to is its either you or him that is the problem. If its you, then figure out what you need to do to progress with getting more flying time. If its him then there isn't much you can do about it until he busts a medical or retires.
Right now just be thankful you are getting paid to fly.
Right now just be thankful you are getting paid to fly.
10-24-2009, 06:13 AM
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Please explain then...121 flying is very simple, why make it any harder with all this nonsense of swapping seats? Who is in command left or right seater? What happens if your "SIC" is sitting in the left seat and the bells start sounding? Is he typed in the aircraft? Did he "sign" for the airplane or whatever terminology you bizjet guys use? Again what am I missing?
10-24-2009, 08:04 AM
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Welcome to the corporate part 91 world. You run into all types here. Not getting to do the driving can be lots of things. What it boils down to is its either you or him that is the problem. If its you, then figure out what you need to do to progress with getting more flying time. If its him then there isn't much you can do about it until he busts a medical or retires.
Right now just be thankful you are getting paid to fly.
Right now just be thankful you are getting paid to fly.
However it is very unfortunate that you do not have some type of management there to help you. We have a similar situation where I work. For a long time both captains of the CE-500's would take all the flying. Occasionally they would let me land the aircraft. I flew a citation 5 for over 6 months and I landed the aircraft twice. Management at my company did not seem to care when I brought it up. Regardless of any other consideration this was a huge problem for one reason. These captains are preventing employees of the company from getting flight time and becoming more valuable. The company is being robbed of a pilot becoming a more valuable employee.
I was able to fly a different aircraft at the same company and no longer have to fly with the two captains that took all of the flying. Now as a captain myself I wonder why these guys felt that way. I fly a simple King Air 200. I get a lot of different co pilots for 135 legs who are not 135 qualified. So they can't be in the left seat. I always feel bad for them and let them fly the 91 legs. After one year in the King Air I do switch seats and let them fly from the left seat. I find it more satisfying in a way to be in command and helping someone who is also learning to be in command. I feel this is the ultimate test for someone who is captain: to be relaxed in this situation and give others the opportunity to be in command and have the responsibility.
The two stick pigs at my company have something in common. They were not flight instructors. One bought his time and the other is a military/airline background. They have not had to sit for a year or two in various GA aircraft bouncing around while verbally keeping the aircraft in one piece with a very very inexperienced "co-captain". My flight instructor co pilots have a lot of experience compared to my student or instrument pilots of my flight instructor days. That's why I feel that those with a strong flight instruction background are a very valuable asset to not only 91 flight departments but local areas. These small 91 flight departments help pilots gain valuable time and move on with all kinds of careers in aviation.
So my question to the thread starter is what is this captains background who is hoggin' all the flight time?
10-24-2009, 08:09 AM
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It is what it is. I'll learn what I can from him and make the best of it. He's an older guy and I think the right seat responsiblities of FMS usage intimidate him. (I'll be kind and say he's not the best - nuff said) Anyway he's got a ton of time in older planes. It's a great job and awesome to be flying with someone that has his experience. Thanks again for all the advice.
10-24-2009, 09:04 AM
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10-24-2009, 09:16 AM
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The problem is you're questioning something you don't have any experience in, and you're not thinking outside your own predefined box.
The airline method works well when there is one PIC and one SIC...but when you've got two qualified PICs flying together that are both captains on the airplane, swapping seats (and PF/PM duties) is a perfectly safe, perfectly reasonable, perfectly acceptable solution.
The airline method works well when there is one PIC and one SIC...but when you've got two qualified PICs flying together that are both captains on the airplane, swapping seats (and PF/PM duties) is a perfectly safe, perfectly reasonable, perfectly acceptable solution.
10-24-2009, 09:38 AM
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