Free recurrent training at FlightSafety
06-25-2009, 06:37 PM
#11
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Position: Chief Pilot - Hawker 800xp
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Unfortunately, FSI has the philosophy that they do not negotiate on price. I don't know if it's because they don't want to dilute the brand or something else. It's similiar to the fact that you never see a Bose headset on sale.
Can you get a headset that's somewhat like the Bose for a lower price? Absolutely. Bose never drops the price. They offer additional incentives like a free this or that every once in a while. I think it's the same principle at FSI. The full service folks get extra courses (International Procedures, CRM, RVSM, etc.) tossed in to sweeten the deal.
As for drop off in business, FSI has approx. 160 instructors furloughed and is closing down centers systemwide the week of July 4 to save costs. The marketing folks have leeway to change the pricing structure but I don't think you're going to see firesale prices ever.
Can you get a headset that's somewhat like the Bose for a lower price? Absolutely. Bose never drops the price. They offer additional incentives like a free this or that every once in a while. I think it's the same principle at FSI. The full service folks get extra courses (International Procedures, CRM, RVSM, etc.) tossed in to sweeten the deal.
As for drop off in business, FSI has approx. 160 instructors furloughed and is closing down centers systemwide the week of July 4 to save costs. The marketing folks have leeway to change the pricing structure but I don't think you're going to see firesale prices ever.
06-26-2009, 09:32 AM
#14
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Various
Posts: 462
Good for Flight Safety to offer this but they are going to have a very hard time retaining customers if their prices stay where they have been in the past.
Last training quote for a Beechjet was nearly double that compared to a competitor...
I am not affiliated with nor do I have any bad feelings towards Flight Safety... just will never go there because their prices are consistently out of whack in comparison with other companies that have courses for comparable aircraft.
Last training quote for a Beechjet was nearly double that compared to a competitor...
I am not affiliated with nor do I have any bad feelings towards Flight Safety... just will never go there because their prices are consistently out of whack in comparison with other companies that have courses for comparable aircraft.
In these times of everyone cutting back and dragging the industry down, it's nice to see these guys step up and do something to try and stop some of the downward momentum.
06-26-2009, 09:39 AM
#15
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Along the lines of my last post.. if CAE offered some great incentives, I would take them if it were coming out of my pocket since some sub-standard training is better than none... but if I could afford FSI, that would be my choice. From being here this week, I can see CAE has been hit hard by this downturn. I feel bad for the instructors here. They are all being put on part-time, losing benefits, the sims are sitting immobile, and most of the classrooms are empty. The good news is, rockstar parking everyday!
06-26-2009, 05:01 PM
#16
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I am currently at one FSI's competitors (CAE in Dallas)... it is by far the WORST flight training I have ever received!!! The instructor in ground school stood in front of the class teaching a system and didn't know it. He read off of the slides and couldn't properly answer questions on limitations. I would gladly pay the price at FSI. I'd been there 8 or 9 times for other aircraft before this and was never dissatisfied with their product.
In these times of everyone cutting back and dragging the industry down, it's nice to see these guys step up and do something to try and stop some of the downward momentum.
In these times of everyone cutting back and dragging the industry down, it's nice to see these guys step up and do something to try and stop some of the downward momentum.
06-26-2009, 06:31 PM
#17
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
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Well for almost double the price of simuflight you should get something to make it worth it, Because the training isn't any better or worse then Simuflight. It really matters on what instructors you get and what airplane you are on. I have had great experiences and bad experiences at both.
06-28-2009, 07:08 AM
#18
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I believe it all boils down to the instructors. At CAE my G-III training was outstanding, but went back for beechjet and it was bad. The instructor knew nothing of the aircraft and could not answer questions. I used FSI for my CE-560XL and training was very good. I went there for recurrent on the CE-550 and the instructor was out there in space somewhere. As for pricing, CAE wins hands down. FSI has a price guarantee from NetJets so there seems to be no reason to compete. That along with certain insurance companies who "suggest" where you gain your training. Right now there should be a good competitive atmosphere between companies, but I don't see much. In defense of CAE, they are willing to work with the WIA program where FSI is not interested. I guess this will give us all an opportunity to review and decide which companies were there for us in a time of need. When this situation turns around we will have the choice on how and where to spend monies allocated for flight training.
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