ce650

Just out of curiousity,, what do you fly?

shadyops

I explained in my previous post, but to give another example. Think of how much the pilots close to retirement care about new-hire's work rules, or how major airline pilots would sell scope-protection on ebay if they could. They all "paid their dues", so why should they care.

shadyops

Embraer products...

Climbto450

Yeah west Coast.

Climbto450

I agree. There is no replacement for experience and humility in a corporate pilot, that sense of entitelment gets you no where. Unfortunitly everyone in corporate steps on everyones back (wallet) there is no union in our industry, we are only paid according to what we negotiate. One guy may think 120 K is great to be flying a GV or a Global Express meanwhile another guy may think that is crap pay and not lower themselves to such little pay. It is all about perspective and one's position in life.
Shadyops nobody knows what your experience level is but pilots how have worked there way up into Gulfstream, Global Express (or whatever your dream plane may be) have traditionally done it through "paying your dues" it is the corporate jet pilot culture. Unlike the airlines we don't have three months of initial training and IOE to develop us into effective crew members we have "paying our dues" as our training grounds. Only in recent years have there been pilots coming right out of college and getting nice Gulfstream positions. If you ask me it has really lead to alot of problems such as lack of experienced decision making, that has cost companies alot of money in recent years. O well I am just a 10 year Gulfstream2/3 and 4 year Challenger Captain who also worked line service, flew for Business Express/American Eagle and worked up from King Airs and Westwinds, I probably don't know all that much.

BoilerUP

[QUOTE=Climbto450]Only in recent years have there been pilots coming right out of college and getting nice Gulfstream positions. If you ask me it has really lead to alot of problems such as lack of experienced decision making, that has cost companies alot of money in recent years. [\quote]

Two questions:

1. Exactly how many pilots graduated from college with minimal experience and walked into a large-cabin Gulfstream job? Of those that did, how many as PIC?

2. Since I'm presuming most of these low-time wet-ink college boys weren't hired as PIC, what kind of "lack of experienced decision making" were they responsible for that cost companies a lot of money?

Kcappoen

This is my experience is this for the lighter equipment it will be between 30 - 35 you could make more if you did some of the management I.E cleaning, maintenance and so on.

Climbto450

Question 1. I can think of more then 15 examples without even consulting other senior pilots.

Question 2. Alot of these guys are getting hired as PIC once they have the insurance minimums because they work for cheaper and are willing to pay their training costs.

BoilerUP

While I don't doubt the low-ball aspect, I'd think insurance would require astronomical flight experience for somebody presumably hired with sub-1000tt into a large cabin Gulfstream to be insurable as a PIC.

How many hours do these folks hired have once they get cleared to be captain?

Also, what region is this stuff going on at?

FIREPILOT2

My first flying job I was so excited to get--I overlooked somethings and learned the hard way. A friend of mine --the CEO of the company--had me interview for the job. They were operating a King Air E90 part 91 for the last four years. Prior to getting hired he had talked about pay and it was agreed---with him--- the CEO--- I would work as a contract pilot for $300 a day plus expenses flying 15-20 days a month. They put me thru school on the plane and then I was off flying from the Rockies to Gulf and East Coast ---great flying only when I got my first paycheck it was short--by a lot. The board of directors had changed the pay to a whopping $100/day plus expenses that weren't reimbursed for 6-8 weeks. It lasted 6 months then they sold the plane. Just do your homework and find out anything you can about the company and how they operate their Aviation Dept. A solid company pays their crews a competative wage knowing the responsibilty that the aircrews have transporting company personnel. Professional Pilot magazine offers a broad spectrum a salary ranges that will help you out. I know times are tough but don't be like me and "assume " anything--have the knowledge and be prepared. Good luck!