Beechet 400A
11-02-2008, 08:19 AM
#21
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: Airdesk
Posts: 31
NEVER PAY FOR TRAINING
If you're holding a commercial certificate, you have the required training on your part. I think you have it quite wrong on your "good business plan". Reputable flight departments don't require you paying for your type.
If they can't afford to train you, how can they afford the jet?
Why are they requiring to pay up front?
Can they not keep people there?
If that's the case, why would you want to work there?
If they're cutting corners on training, what other corners are being cut?
If it were a place with competative pay and work conditions they wouldn't have problems with people leaving after getting typed.
If you're holding a commercial certificate, you have the required training on your part. I think you have it quite wrong on your "good business plan". Reputable flight departments don't require you paying for your type.
If they can't afford to train you, how can they afford the jet?
Why are they requiring to pay up front?
Can they not keep people there?
If that's the case, why would you want to work there?
If they're cutting corners on training, what other corners are being cut?
If it were a place with competative pay and work conditions they wouldn't have problems with people leaving after getting typed.
I say sign a contract and get your training done. I would do the training in the Hawker though, not the beachjet.
11-02-2008, 08:24 AM
#22
The NeverEnding Story
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,603
A training contract (where the company pays for your training and you're responsible for the whole or prorated cost if you leave before the contract expires) IS NOT the same thing as a pilot paying for their own training up front, and being repaid in a pro-rated fashion without interest.
11-02-2008, 08:34 AM
#23
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: 17 S.E. of Kedzi
Posts: 71
Perhaps someone can enlighten me on this discussion about "pay for training". On most sections of this board most say it is a no no to do it.
Now I look at the "majors" section and nobody can be quick enough to pay for their own 737 type rating for a 20% chance of getting hired by SWA.
Oh the duality.
Now I look at the "majors" section and nobody can be quick enough to pay for their own 737 type rating for a 20% chance of getting hired by SWA.
Oh the duality.
11-02-2008, 06:43 PM
#24
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2005
Position: Retired
Posts: 2,934
I know plenty of people that get hired at SWA without the type. You have to have it before you start training. I don't agree with it there either.
That being said, their first year pay is so much better that even after you fork up the cash for the type you'll be making much more than you would at CAL, UAL, etc.
That being said, their first year pay is so much better that even after you fork up the cash for the type you'll be making much more than you would at CAL, UAL, etc.
11-03-2008, 06:27 AM
#25
Flying Farmer
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: Turbo-props' and John Deere's
Posts: 3,160
The way I see it, the pilots are the cheapist part of the aircraft, but yet they hold the highest resonsiblity of it's operations. I understand people getting burned by someone looking for the greener grass, but honestly that should be in the training contract where you work for XXX time to make it worth their time and money to train you. As mentioned above, if they can't afford to send one pilot to school, then they probably shouldn't be flying a jet, or any aircraft for that matter.
Just my personal opinion, but commiting one year to a company paying for a type/135 training, one year commitment isn't much to ask for. I had no problems commiting one year to my 135 freight job flying C310's, and if I didn't stay I didn't have a problem paying off my training contract. I ended up staying 20 months, and have a great job because of it.
Just my personal opinion, but commiting one year to a company paying for a type/135 training, one year commitment isn't much to ask for. I had no problems commiting one year to my 135 freight job flying C310's, and if I didn't stay I didn't have a problem paying off my training contract. I ended up staying 20 months, and have a great job because of it.
11-20-2008, 04:31 PM
#27
The NeverEnding Story
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Posts: 7,603
08-17-2009, 10:17 AM
#29
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,285
I got furloughed last October and was interviewing at a place that operated BeechJets with the "you pay for your type", and we take care of recurrent. There wasn't even an option to have them repay me.
Needless to say, I turned down the job. It's unfortunate that people will dish out $10k to buy a job, with an "agreement" from the company that they will be reimbursed.
Offer to the company that they pay for your type, and you will sign a year training contract, with a pro-rated cost if you leave before the 12 months.
And to the person who said this is good business sense, that is just ridiculous. If you're throwing this type rating on a credit card, you are paying interest and now qualify for less credit due to a higher debt to income ratio. And if you're paying cash, you're losing even more money because now you aren't using that 10k to invest or bring in more profitable ventures (unless you count buying a job as a profitable venture).
Anyway, it seems obvious to me that it is simply the company trying to take advantage of the stiff job market. The company I interviewed with said that that is "how it's done in the charter world"... and I politely informed him that of all my friends flying charter, not one of them has ever paid for their type rating.
Good luck to us all in this economy =(
Needless to say, I turned down the job. It's unfortunate that people will dish out $10k to buy a job, with an "agreement" from the company that they will be reimbursed.
Offer to the company that they pay for your type, and you will sign a year training contract, with a pro-rated cost if you leave before the 12 months.
And to the person who said this is good business sense, that is just ridiculous. If you're throwing this type rating on a credit card, you are paying interest and now qualify for less credit due to a higher debt to income ratio. And if you're paying cash, you're losing even more money because now you aren't using that 10k to invest or bring in more profitable ventures (unless you count buying a job as a profitable venture).
Anyway, it seems obvious to me that it is simply the company trying to take advantage of the stiff job market. The company I interviewed with said that that is "how it's done in the charter world"... and I politely informed him that of all my friends flying charter, not one of them has ever paid for their type rating.
Good luck to us all in this economy =(
08-17-2009, 03:36 PM
#30
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: B-737
Posts: 704
i got hired at a 91/135 operation flying a beechjet and there was no talk what so ever of me paying for my type, there was also no contract for me to sign. if i had to pay it wouldn't have done it. some operations just don't get it, we are not the ones with all the capital. some of these people flying on these airplanes have more money than they know what to do with. they can pony up the 15-20k for the type, if they are going to put their lives in your hands.
