Corporate vs Airline
10-20-2008, 07:10 AM
#21
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I had heard that this "might" happen. Glad it's coming out to the airport.
Although I agree that some of the "teaching" was only worth $7/hr, as some of my class-mates were leaving much to desire on knowledge and skill. I run into Dan Keen a lot, he was my POI at my old job, and visits my current one because of the local DPE. As with much of the Purdue staff, I enjoyed almost all of them and gained a lot from their knowledge.
10-20-2008, 09:47 AM
#22
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Can I get a breakdown of pay comparisons for my experience level, QOL examples, etc. I'm open to corporate but I'm just ignorant about it. Can I get an overview?
How about some examples of the better corporate jobs out there? Currently I sit with about 1500 total 800 sic turbine and about 650 pic (non turbine). No other jet experience other than CRJ's - Would I be competitive in the corporate world - if not what is competitive?.....
How about some examples of the better corporate jobs out there? Currently I sit with about 1500 total 800 sic turbine and about 650 pic (non turbine). No other jet experience other than CRJ's - Would I be competitive in the corporate world - if not what is competitive?.....
With your time, you might have to look at buying your own SIC type rating to be competitive. Believe it or not. The company I work for, there are a few SIC's that had to pay for their training in order to work. The pay is twice what you would get at a regional. The first year will set you back about 10 grand, but you make up for it in the long run.
Also, corporate or charter...you are on call 24/7 for a specified number of days. Live by the cell phoe, but more time home!
10-20-2008, 10:09 AM
#23
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With your time, you might have to look at buying your own SIC type rating to be competitive. Believe it or not. The company I work for, there are a few SIC's that had to pay for their training in order to work. The pay is twice what you would get at a regional. The first year will set you back about 10 grand, but you make up for it in the long run.
Corporate pilots SHOULD NOT subsidize their employer's cheapness by paying for their own training. If you can afford to operate a multi-million dollar jet with DOCs upward of $1500/hr then you can afford to send somebody to school.
This "buy your way in" attitude drags down the compensation and lifestyle of the entire business aviation community. If you want to strike out on your own and buy a type to drum up contract work so be it...but having to pay for your own training just to get a job? YGBFSM!
10-20-2008, 11:53 AM
#24
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With your time, you might have to look at buying your own SIC type rating to be competitive. Believe it or not. The company I work for, there are a few SIC's that had to pay for their training in order to work. The pay is twice what you would get at a regional. The first year will set you back about 10 grand, but you make up for it in the long run.
Also, corporate or charter...you are on call 24/7 for a specified number of days. Live by the cell phoe, but more time home!
Also, corporate or charter...you are on call 24/7 for a specified number of days. Live by the cell phoe, but more time home!
And the on call 24/7 is incorrect. Maybe YOUR company has their crews on call 24 hours, but myself, and many others, do not. Mininum trip time is 48 hours notice.
Buy a type to be competitive...Give me a break.
10-20-2008, 06:21 PM
#25
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Corporate pilots SHOULD NOT subsidize their employer's cheapness by paying for their own training. If you can afford to operate a multi-million dollar jet with DOCs upward of $1500/hr then you can afford to send somebody to school.
This "buy your way in" attitude drags down the compensation and lifestyle of the entire business aviation community. If you want to strike out on your own and buy a type to drum up contract work so be it...but having to pay for your own training just to get a job? YGBFSM!
10-20-2008, 08:11 PM
#26
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Yeah, don't pay for the SIC type, it's worthless anyhow. No one really cares if you have an SIC type in a bunch of planes. Also, 135 ops can't be on call 24/7. Personally, I'm on for 12 hours with a possible 45 min. call-out, but for a Jetstream it's unlikely to have to go that quick.
11-03-2008, 10:20 PM
#27
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Corporate vs Airline: I believe it all depends who you fly for, and what YOU really want out of your profession.
I have flown corporate for 15 years from MU2, Hawkers, Sabreliners, Citations and Lears for small firms, banks, and even fractionals. I had my good times and bad times. The truth is I got tired of corporate flying, and moved to the airlines.
I am happy with the decision I made. I fly now an Airbus, make more money than what I used to make in corporate, and love airline flying. It's all different. And for those of you that think that airline flying is easier because everything is done to you or decided in the FOM for you, you are so wrong. I have taken more decisions during my three years in my airline career than the 15 years in corporate aviation. Airline flying is a challenging and rewarding career. Now, again, that's me.
I have flown corporate for 15 years from MU2, Hawkers, Sabreliners, Citations and Lears for small firms, banks, and even fractionals. I had my good times and bad times. The truth is I got tired of corporate flying, and moved to the airlines.
I am happy with the decision I made. I fly now an Airbus, make more money than what I used to make in corporate, and love airline flying. It's all different. And for those of you that think that airline flying is easier because everything is done to you or decided in the FOM for you, you are so wrong. I have taken more decisions during my three years in my airline career than the 15 years in corporate aviation. Airline flying is a challenging and rewarding career. Now, again, that's me.
11-04-2008, 05:10 AM
#28
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I've done both the airlines and corporate. 18 years airline now Part 91 corporate.
No comparison. Pay/QOL/benefits/challange-corporate wins easily.
Just as their are good and bad airlines to work at, the same with corporate. No on call, we know trips often months in advance. Mix of domestic and international not just in/out of a hub. If you like to just fly and move the controls-go airline. If you want a challenge, you are personable and can hold your own around very successful people, go corporate.
It used to be airline pilots got all the respect. It is totally different now. In corporate you are paid for your experience, get raises/bonuses and are not just an number.
There is a reason there are no openings in a good corporate flight department- they are smart enough not to leave as they know they have a great thing going!
Weed out the good and the bad and you can have a great career!
No comparison. Pay/QOL/benefits/challange-corporate wins easily.
Just as their are good and bad airlines to work at, the same with corporate. No on call, we know trips often months in advance. Mix of domestic and international not just in/out of a hub. If you like to just fly and move the controls-go airline. If you want a challenge, you are personable and can hold your own around very successful people, go corporate.
It used to be airline pilots got all the respect. It is totally different now. In corporate you are paid for your experience, get raises/bonuses and are not just an number.
There is a reason there are no openings in a good corporate flight department- they are smart enough not to leave as they know they have a great thing going!
Weed out the good and the bad and you can have a great career!
11-11-2008, 05:05 PM
#30
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Posts: 3,817
What about typical sits? From what I've heard, much of the corporate flying involves one leg in the morning, a sit all day (while the boss is at a meeting presumably), then a leg back?
For an airplane-dork like myself who really, really enjoys "moving the controls," but is also looking for more of a challenge than the Airlines can provide, what would y'all suggest?
For an airplane-dork like myself who really, really enjoys "moving the controls," but is also looking for more of a challenge than the Airlines can provide, what would y'all suggest?
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