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Old 11-02-2017, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Citation X
Ok.....if that's the case maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing
mergers and seniority list integrations rarely go smooth and without ****ing off a lot of people. When you try to integrate two separate lists with their own relative seniority there is no way to please everyone. Look at AA and TWA... There is still bad blood floating around after that one.
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Old 11-02-2017, 01:17 PM
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mergers and seniority list integrations rarely go smooth and without ****ing off a lot of people. When you try to integrate two separate lists with their own relative seniority there is no way to please everyone. Look at AA and TWA... There is still bad blood floating around after that one.


Or even more recently America West and US Airways..


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Old 11-02-2017, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by N914FJ
Not sure what's expected from a department that is worse off staffing wise than the pilot group. Hard to keep people when you can go across the parking lot and make $17 an hour (more than dispatch). The blame should not lie on the schedulers who are only working with the tools or lack of that they are given. Ask any of the schedulers next time you call them if they'd like the reserve availability fixed. Guarantee they want it fixed even more than the pilots do.
What I expect is SOMEONE from the the department to be on hand for the call so when some asks a question Bob doesn't answer, "I wasn't aware." Is that too much to ask? If they are having trouble retaining people and they can go across the street an make 17 bucks an hour more it's simple. It's the PAY!!! Look what happened when we started waving $17,500.00 around. People came out of the woodwork. Honestly it is a simple equation. delta is awash in cash, it's time to start spreading it around.
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Old 11-02-2017, 01:39 PM
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When I interviewed last month it was "a flow is in the works with somebody, Seattle is going to experience substantial growth, and Phx should be obtainable shortly after training.....plus reserve times were going to be almost unheard of"
Here is a cold hard fact my friend and you can take this to the bank. Airline management lies. If you come to accept this, working in this industry is a lot easier.
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Old 11-02-2017, 01:58 PM
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Yeah......I'm learning that. I'm coming from the 135 world...there were a lot of things to complain and worry about over there. My wife just had to remind me that I'm stepping into nothing more than a different set of complaints and worries
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Originally Posted by Citation X
Yeah......I'm learning that. I'm coming from the 135 world...there were a lot of things to complain and worry about over there. My wife just had to remind me that I'm stepping into nothing more than a different set of complaints and worries


Just remember, at the end of the day this is a business and business decision for more profit will always prevail before the quality of life of a crew member. And also don’t forget, we don’t own our planes and we don’t owe our routes, so we will always be at the mercy of big brother


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Old 11-02-2017, 02:31 PM
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What I expect is SOMEONE from the the department to be on hand for the call so when some asks a question Bob doesn't answer, "I wasn't aware." Is that too much to ask? If they are having trouble retaining people and they can go across the street an make 17 bucks an hour more it's simple. It's the PAY!!! Look what happened when we started waving $17,500.00 around. People came out of the woodwork. Honestly it is a simple equation. delta is awash in cash, it's time to start spreading it around.
I just don’t think they have any more money to give out man.

They aren’t running a charity and I think the pie has been exhausted. Not sure if I am right but the behavior would indicate that.

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Old 11-02-2017, 02:50 PM
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It is if “Skywest” buys us! Btw which one of you played that practical joke to that FA?! Haha good job guys!


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Im not sure someone played a joke on anyone. This was apparently leaked/began from one of your former chief pilots. The caveat with it is that you all would be receiving some of our new DL birds... This isnt the first time I have heard this information within the last few days.
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Fpmx772
Just remember, at the end of the day this is a business and business decision for more profit will always prevail before the quality of life of a crew member. And also don’t forget, we don’t own our planes and we don’t owe our routes, so we will always be at the mercy of big brother
This is why Compass will not survive long term...There are so many things against Compass in respect to this being a business, that at the end of the day the way Compass operates currently isn't sustainable. The only way to survive is to adapt, and unless they start doing so, it won't last another 5-10 years until the current CPA's are up. Every decision that has been made at Compass post DL sale has been a direct result of reducing cost to maximize profit. Compass is purely in business to return money on an private investment from an individual owner. It's that simple...

There are 4 long term outcomes at Compass:
A sale to another regional;
A sale to a major airline;
A merger of TSA, G7, and CP;
Dissolve at the end of the CPA's and non-owned assets (aircraft) go elsewhere

We cannot grow because we do not have the facilities nor the labor force to do so...as nice as it would be to grow that's reality. Each major is hiring 1k to 1.5k pilots a year and there is little behind us to replace the seats.

Keep something else in mind, think about the cost to continuously move people to and from training in MSP. That's an enormous cost, to think that that will continue long term is not logical. That's money out of HK's pocket and while in the short term it may take a hit to move, long term its a better decision to move everything west for cost purposes alone.

Compass is a privately held airline that any profit goes to holdings and either ends up at the bottom of HK's pocket or is invested into a pool of money that potentially ends up at any of the holdings carriers based off of need.

It is a great place to work with great people, but if the head honchos choose to turn their heads to reality and don't adapt to the way the industry has already headed towards, they will be left out to dry...Compass is a staffing company pure and simple, our assets are our people, the most expensive thing we own is a simulator in MSP...it's why its important we continue to perform well...if we do that we make more money and can attract more people

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Old 11-02-2017, 03:08 PM
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I just don’t think they have any more money to give out man.

They aren’t running a charity and I think the pie has been exhausted. Not sure if I am right but the behavior would indicate that.

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Redoing math here.

Essentially the cost for us to have kept hiring 40 a month for the 6 month hiring freeze at the old $37/hr rate would have been far cheaper than a company wide raise and signing bonus that could cost as high as 700k per month. The fact the company could not plan ahead 6 months so much so that they are now going to lose millions a year is scary.
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