morerightrudder

This is what I was trying to get at. When your job sucks, you have three general options, in order of effort needed:

1. Complain here or elsewhere.
2. Look for a new job.
3. Volunteer for the union to help improve things.

When the goal of 99% of the pilot group is to move on to something else, they are going to focus on that. Instead of spending their energy to improve conditions here, they rationalize the current situation as "it's a regional, it's supposed to suck, I'll deal with it for a couple of years". Then a couple of years pass, they're still here, and it sucks worse. Yes, it is wrong, but I'm just pointing out the mindset of our group.

I think there's also a few other intangible factors:

Fear of rocking the boat and risking screwing up their employment record. The company feeds this fear with a generous application of Section 19s. They know we are good at spreading rumors, and this helps spread fear and encourages compliance and inaction. All they need is inaction.

Younger pilot group who were not educated on the importance of a union while growing up or during their initial new hire union orientation. I can't speak for every new hire class, but mine was basically "hey let's have some free pizza".

The union has very little presence outside of its email communications. Most of the pilot group is on the west coast, yet most of the meetings are still in MSP. I've never seen an open union presence in the crew rooms.

Perception that the current union is just a rubber stamp for the company on many things, which leads to the feeling of "what's the point". I know this is not always the case, and I know our union officers work hard, but this is the public perception of much of the pilot group.

I'm sure there are others. I'm glad we're having this discussion, I think it will help, and I hope the union folks are reading some of this.

TillerTemptress

Have you called and voiced these concerns to your MEC reps? It doesn't sound like you know anything about our union or what they do, honestly.

TillerThriller

Delta released January 2018 preliminary monthly departures. Looks like Seattle growth might have been temporary.

JAN DEP
LAX - 958
PHX - 274
SEA - 695 (was almost 1300 in DEC)
MSP - 174 (0 for December)
DTW - 59 (0 for December)

Looks like we start doing Denver in December again and continues in January. Shows us going to Newark in January as well prolly from DTW.

Total Monthly Departures DEC - 5364
Total Monthly Departures JAN - 4373

Normal slowdown I guess after the holidays but it is usually above 5000.

poorflyer

I thought the growth was to be throughout 2018 though, so maybe still potential?

week

Guess I'll just stay on reserve in Seattle until the end of time...

ThePlaneSaidSo

Where do you find this? Is that for CP or all DL?


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TillerTemptress

The prelim ones change a lot, I wouldn't put much stock into it. It's on Deltanet under network planning.

WingedCelt

Makes sense thank you for that. Interesting to look at to say the least.

WingedCelt

Crew room presence or not, I implore you to learn your seniority block, who your rep is, and get in contact with them. I’d also encourage you to contact your P2P guys. I see them all the time, and if you’re wondering they have a red badge with the words Pilot 2 Pilot underneath or something similar. Great way to communicate, learn about comings and goings, etc.

I will also say this, I know for a fact they browse and read the forums quite a bit. My end game with all of this; we need to start standing together. Volunteer, communicate, etc. Action time is now. We need to start uniting. I’ve said my piece and I’ll leave it at that.

Av8rPHX

Monthly conference call 11am Central tomorrow


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