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Old 10-27-2017, 02:56 PM
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https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/4122...s-airlines-llc


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Old 10-27-2017, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Aviator147
As long as the company can show documented proof of "corrective action" these fines generally never get paid. That goes for pretty much every part 121 carrier.
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Old 10-27-2017, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by N914FJ
As long as the company can show documented proof of "corrective action" these fines generally never get paid. That goes for pretty much every part 121 carrier.
Interesting, is there a source for this somewhere?

Anyway these fines are common among major and regional airlines. SKW was fined 1.23 Million not long ago.
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Old 10-27-2017, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Citation X
Why the failures.....****ty training? Lack of experience? That's ridiculous. I've heard that it's a fire hose, fend for yourself deal. This is sad......there is not one major who would treat its new hires like this.....maybe Spirit. I have spoken with many guys and gals at the majors who said Compass training was nothing more than a wash out machine.......go to Compass, and never get hired any where else.
We were told on orientation day before we were sent home for cbts to know everything before we come back and essentially that's somewhat true. They want you to show up knowing the GOS quiz 100%, basic systems knowledge, all your flows and memory items, and an idea of the procedures. They want to spend the time to teach you how to fly a new airplane/fms, not hold your hand while you try to remember 1 out 10 memory items.

If you know memory items verbatim, flows and call outs, all the sopa/smac scripts going into class you should be sitting pretty. I'm guessing the ones with trouble are assuming this is like sophomore year at [insert 141 college] and they'll be taught everything. Nope, we ain't got money for a good scheduling software we ain't spending it on training 23 year olds.
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Old 10-27-2017, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Poser765
You know that's a good point. It's fun until someone take it too seriously... Which tends to happen often around here.
Touche' let's keep it light and fun.
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Old 10-27-2017, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Citation X
Why the failures.....****ty training? Lack of experience? That's ridiculous. I've heard that it's a fire hose, fend for yourself deal. This is sad......there is not one major who would treat its new hires like this.....maybe Spirit. I have spoken with many guys and gals at the majors who said Compass training was nothing more than a wash out machine.......go to Compass, and never get hired any where else.
How about you go through new hire training before you start complaining about how hard it is. The only thing you're expected to have down 100% is memory items and limitations. This training program is not hard if you forth a little effort.
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Old 10-27-2017, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mpet
Are you people serious? AQP initial is a freaking joke. Awac training was tenfold harder than cpz training. Our washout rate here is low and hundreds and hundreds have gone through compass training with no issues... They are more than generous here.


I think it’s the “70%” wash out rate that has some people freaked out. But they are not taking into account that was when only like 4 dudes would show up for a class when we started hiring again


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Old 10-27-2017, 04:55 PM
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I'm not trying to **** all over the training there. I appreciate any feedback. I have been working my ass off learning this ****. I have the flows down, I have the memory items down.....hell there is only 8. I have a descent grasp of the systems, I have been flying jet aircraft with glass and fms for a long long time.....I have been pouring my heart and soul into this......and yes the mention of a 70% failure rate freaked me out.
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Old 10-27-2017, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Citation X
Why the failures.....****ty training? Lack of experience? That's ridiculous. I've heard that it's a fire hose, fend for yourself deal. This is sad......there is not one major who would treat its new hires like this.....maybe Spirit. I have spoken with many guys and gals at the majors who said Compass training was nothing more than a wash out machine.......go to Compass, and never get hired any where else.
You clearly have spoken to 0 guys and gals at the majors. The training here is not that difficult. If you put in a decent effort you will make it through no problem. If you can't, you shouldn't be flying people around.
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Old 10-27-2017, 05:03 PM
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On a more personal note, I have personally spoken to two cpz newhire/washouts and both of them blamed only themselves for their training issues. They both said that the training was very good here and that cpz did everything within their power to help them succeed, but they were just struggling too much


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