VIRotate

I'd blame the delay on the station. If they are trying to close the door too early whilst nonrevs/JSers are trying to get on, that is unacceptable. I usually do a JS walk before the flight. Commuters know what's up.

BobbyLeeSwagger

Yah that's why I brought it up so hopefully there is no FOM confusion in the future for all y'all, plus this guy deserves a little public shaming for knowingly leaving one our own stranded, especially after SOC called him to approve it directly.

BobbyLeeSwagger

This was not a factor in this case

sMFer

There are plenty of ways to get an employee of our own airline on, with or without the gate agent assistance. A gate agent couldn't figure out how to clear me in the FA jumpseat so I asked her to please bring the CA up here. She did. I asked him to please call dispatch and amend me on the release. He did. Dispatch did. Done. Do the same for a mechanic and you bypass the whole gate agent issue. If you're on my release, you're on.

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aTomatoFlames

Just to be a huge jerk, but I’ve always hated how we have to ask for the jumpseat. Yet if a CA uses that power to refuse a jumpseater all of a sudden they’re the worst person in the world.

Why even ask then.

BobbyLeeSwagger

The captain is supposed to be notified so he/she can assess whether this jumpseater would cause a SAFETY concern and hence decline the JS. Thats why you ask...

Ref FOM 6-12.1(F)

Fpmx772

Because it’s not your seat and your flying for free. It’s a common courtesy thing, that’s why.


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BobbyLeeSwagger

I'm not disagreeing with you, but the two things we should be considering to authorize the jumpseat is eligibility and safety, the expectation is that notwithstanding those two considerations, the jumpseat should not be denied AND there should be a reasonable effort made to accommodate requests. The captain believed there was an eligibility issue apparently, but did not make the slightest effort to resolve the issue.

Had he gone up the bridge as requested she would have been happy to walk him through his FOM and show her written the authorization which she had in hand.

So, while we may have the authority to deny without reason, we should not have some idea of personal ownership over our jumpseats and have a power trip. They are jumpseats owned by compass. Don't take your PIC authority and use it to ruin someone's day, use it to help people. This was the last flight out of Oakland for crying out loud. If we are going to go down that road, then maybe I'll start denying "my" jumpseats to compass people just because I don't like having someone's knee right behind my elbow, or don't want to get out of my seat 15 prior to push to help someone on... pretty stupid reasons. So yes there the authority to deny, but just like authority in life, there is responsibility and consequences like a good APC lashing and a whole LAX MX dept that now hates pilots a little more because of this guy.

As you can see, im still a little salty this happened.

WingedCelt

Personal relation to the individual that this occurred to perhaps?

BobbyLeeSwagger

I think we all have a vested interest in not screwing eachother over