Av8rPHX

Make sure the gate agent enters your employee number NOT your PPR number.


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Citation X

Not a "millennial", far from it at 46. I'm a married old fart who snores, falls asleep with the tv on, and likes the temp set cold.

ThePlaneSaidSo

Fight it, when you show back up go tall to BW, put your foot down and just tell them its a deal breaker and you are going to EV, they need pilots, they’ll cave. They first started trying this in the hiring boom last year, on interview day students were being told single occupancy then they were told double when they showed up again. I flew with one guy who was your age and he and his sim partner were both prior 121 had been in the industry for years. They tried to pull this on their class of mostly CFI’s who were afraid to rock the boat but these 2 old-timers didn’t give 2 cents, they went to BW and said single room or they were out and they all got them, even the newbies who never complained. Now if they told you at interview, you don’t have much fight because you accepted. But if they told you single, then you need to hold them to it! They are trying to see who’s gullible enough to take it.

Also, to those of us on here who keep talking about sucking it up because you had to buy a room, pay for training, walk to work, whatever, ENOUGH, drop it. I get it, it was different years ago, we were paid fractions less, did not get hotels, maybe some paid for training, phones used to have cords, etc. but its not years ago, its present day, and new hires have the right to expect industry standard. They have every right to be put off by this IF they were being told otherwise and I believe it that they were because again I’ve heard it before, lure them in with that nice extra perk, then change it on them once you feel they are on the hook, not cool.

All that to say, welcome to CP, we are all very excited to have you! This post is not meant to be negative or deter new pilots, and I certainly hope none of you bail based on the rooms but I do sympathize with you. I’m just trying to make the point that you need to learn to put your foot down NOW or the company will walk all over you and that has nothing to do with CP or TSH, its the airlines. You give any airline an inch, they will try to take a mile, thats why we have unions.


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GrassLandings

This was a fact for many of us on property. Today's regional hiring market pays twice as good or better and covers most if not all costs incurred in training. The vast majority of people coming on property today have no idea how bad this industry for all regionals was just a few years ago. 25k or less as a new hire and I had to pay for my own living expenses in training. I still showed up. Guys with 2,000+ hours not even competitive a few years ago for a regional job, movement was slow like molasses. Wow, how times have changed...

Taco280AI

We might not know exactly how bad it was years ago, but we had an idea. That's why many of us didn't show up back then, wasn't worth it.

Da40Pilot

From someone who got hired here when the hourly rate was $25 and where the interview consisted of 3 ridiculous tests where you had to prove your cognitive, psych and knowledge skills and with no $17.5k bonus and no hotel provided during training, I find the gross entitlement of new hires to be quite overreaching.

Instead of worrying about single or double occupancy during training - I would maybe focus on spending as much time with your sim partner and roommate studying the material since our current LOE fail rate hovers at around 70% - and that’s not a number I’m just throwing out there for giggles - it’s a fact (and that doesn’t include people that actually completely fail out of training).

The amount of new hires failing training nowadays is astounding and worrysome. If you’re about to start class at Compass, the training department here does not hold your hand while walking you across and to the other side of the rainbow. They do that at Mesa and Skywest though. Nevertheless, I think by the time you’re done here you’ll learn way more because you actually had to work for it.

veewan

Hence there is not a pilot shortage, but rather a pay shortage.

Da40Pilot

Trust me, it was worth it. Upgrade time back then was 3 months, or as soon as you hit 1000 hours on the right seat. No reserve.
Example, there’s a reason so many here are still going to Hawaiian despite their $36/hour first year pay for flying an A330.

Taco280AI

Just because some people were willing to work for chump change and sell yourselves short and screw it all up for everyone else, doesn't mean the rest of us have an entitlement problem. You guys messed it up because you allowed the airlines to get away with their poverty wages. Congratulations for letting yourselves be taken advantage of?

Others of us went a different route, like the military. You want to talk about ridiculous tests, go that route. You have a lot more hoops to jump through, a lot more BS to put up with. Just because you allowed yourself to be taken advantage of doesn't mean the rest of us have a gross entitlement issue. Get over it.

veewan

I don't think it's entitlement. If they were expecting to be at mainline (yesterday) out of flight school that's a different story. Your attitude of "I showed up for pennies" is partially why regional pilots are so undercompensated. The fact that guys were willing to fly for 16 bucks an hour is why they could pay it and why the regionals are experiencing a shortage to the point of needing bonuses etc.