Da40Pilot

A chief pilot should not have to take responsibility for the mismanagement of a department he doesn't belong to. He did take responsibility when a said manager from that department acted in an unprofessional and childish manner against the pilot group when she still had not figured out the difference between "reply" and "reply all". If PBS is having issues and crew scheduling is unable to handle it, you're better off holding the CEO of the company responsible rather than our Chief Pilot.

Scaniaflyer29

When the mismanagement gets to this point, he has become an accountable party. He knows when the deadlines are and the fact that over 4 hours later we finally get something, how ever little, goes on him. At noon yesterday he should be asking, "where is it?" and either take 2 minutes himself to write out an email or ensure crew planning is sending something out immediately, because when it hits the 4 hour point it becomes do they really even care about deadlines and did they even realize that the deadline was yesterday.

Next what CEO, this company has never had one, we use to have a COO but he was ran out of the building after around 6 months which tells me he was not able to run the airline to the expectations that he had when he started. We could blame the (how is allowed to be part of management in an airline) DO but that is just giving him to much credit for success or failure with in this company. Which is why I blame the Chief Pilot, he is our direct link to the company and it has come to the point that it feels like he could do more. Even if it is to just communicate the problems at hand and as soon as it is known. Instead we get nothing and the sense that there are really no professionals in our management team at this company let alone anyone that cares about complying with our contract.

Teabag Bandit

It would be nice to have planning actually say something meaningful for once.

pilotwithnoname

This isn't as clear in the contract, and that's probably what everyone is talking about, but it's pretty clear in the FOM:

In the FOM it states you don't have to have rest for CDO operations within the window of circadian low up to 3 consecutive days. If you work more (up to 5 in a row) then you have to have been provided at least 2 hours rest opportunity (behind the hotel door) for EACH of the days.

...Which doesn't really jive with 117 and the 3 he rest requirement.

If you miss one rest opportunity for example day 3 of 5 you never make it to the hotel, you could not legally accept the 4th and 5th days and would need the required 2 days rest.

FOM 16-3.10

When you're working up to 3 CDO's in a row, you don't actually have to make it to the hotel for rest. That's why it's called "continuous duty"

Check the 117 FDP charts to confirm. If you work 2 legs departing at 2100, max FDP is 12 hours. That allows you to work through the night having never made it to a hotel. Its very legal, it just sucks.

Now if it's in our contract...well it's not worded very well.

Can someone explain why we need the rest requirement per 117.15 when it's not necessarily required if you look solely at the 117 table?

JohnDoe

The manager that made the "ugh" comment should have been made to send out the apology. When we screw up we have to face the music and take responsibility for it.

JohnDoe

So for the BIL CDO they should give the crews the option of sleeping in the airplane. Since they're considered on duty the whole time. I would rather get an extra hour sleep on the airplane. For those of us who were around pre 117, mgmt/FAA mentality is if it's legal, then it must be safe.

Da40Pilot

Yeah, no, I still don't think you are correct in your assumptions about the role of a Chief Pilot. Also, we do have a CEO.

Fpmx772

I agree in that the "UGH" person should have made the "I'm sorry" email to everyone. Like someone already posted, if we have to be held responsible then so does she. Also, I think it is a blatant disregard to keeping us in the loop as to the delay for PBS! If we are 1 min late pushing off the gate, shortly after takeoff we get the "why were you late" acars message that we must provide a reason for. I say if the company doesn't want to explain to us why PBS is late every month then why should we respond to the delay acars? Just my thoughts


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Da40Pilot

I agree

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