Compass Updates - Saga Continues
10-10-2017, 06:48 PM
#8261
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,186
Just because it works everywhere else doesn’t mean it works here. I too can not find any language in the contract that says we get paid over guarantee if picking up a trip trade while on RSV
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10-10-2017, 06:52 PM
#8262
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Position: MEC Chairman, Snack Basket Committee
Posts: 3,199
I appreciate the respect for the union, GoHomeLeg. We all need to stick together on this. And on that note, cool it with the scab talk y'all. Some of you rush to that label even for people picking up trips in their own seat on days off. We are not on strike, so that word should not be in your vocabulary toward another pilot. Don't hijack the term and make it lose its significance and unfairly alienate someone in our pilot group. Just call them Toad Suckers instead if you must, but not scabs. Right now we just need unity amongst each other and to also to be like Nancy Reagan when it comes to mgmt shenanigans, "Just say NO"
10-10-2017, 06:54 PM
#8263
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 531
Right seat CAs
Rant
As a reserve FO I am strongly against any right seat CAs.
Here I am, new to the 121 world and I've busted butt to get here at a young age to try to get ahead. Now I've been here for 9 months with barely 200 hours pulling my hair out because I'm essentially wasting time, going nowhere, adding nothing to my resume. The only thing I'm flying at Compass is the crew room couch, I'm on IOCC 4 times a day trying to grab open time. Even when I do fly it's usually a quick turn after 2 weeks of nothing, so the flying is barely comfortable or enjoyable. There's virtually no open time to grab, especially if you're not in LA. Reserve duty blocks or prevents grabbing most things in OT. Even then anything that pops up is "no longer available" by the time I get my request denied, meaning there's probably other reserve guys here as desperate to fly as I am. The reserve guys are starving for hours and that's why half of them have already jumped to other regionals. I'm at the point where I'd gladly take my 4 day off stretch and commute to LA to grab a trip of nothing but SAN turns, and I'd still do it even if it didn't add anything to my paycheck. Any Captain that's going to volunteer to fly right seat and block reserve FOs from getting flying or extra pay is no better than a scab in my eyes. Maybe if we were cancelling flights due to staffing, but we aren't. Reserve FOs company-wide are lucky to see 20-30 hours a month, we are horribly under-used.
Reserve FOs are the group that's been hurt most by this 6 plane/hiring pause crap, because the entire time, since hire date, we've been logging virtually no hours. Anyone who's volunteering to rob reserve FOs of hours.. I just don't get it. Pick up some CA open time instead.
They must be predicting some SERIOUS fo shortage this winter. Right now, it feels just as fat as is did when we were 100 FO's fat in the spring
/rant
As a reserve FO I am strongly against any right seat CAs.
Here I am, new to the 121 world and I've busted butt to get here at a young age to try to get ahead. Now I've been here for 9 months with barely 200 hours pulling my hair out because I'm essentially wasting time, going nowhere, adding nothing to my resume. The only thing I'm flying at Compass is the crew room couch, I'm on IOCC 4 times a day trying to grab open time. Even when I do fly it's usually a quick turn after 2 weeks of nothing, so the flying is barely comfortable or enjoyable. There's virtually no open time to grab, especially if you're not in LA. Reserve duty blocks or prevents grabbing most things in OT. Even then anything that pops up is "no longer available" by the time I get my request denied, meaning there's probably other reserve guys here as desperate to fly as I am. The reserve guys are starving for hours and that's why half of them have already jumped to other regionals. I'm at the point where I'd gladly take my 4 day off stretch and commute to LA to grab a trip of nothing but SAN turns, and I'd still do it even if it didn't add anything to my paycheck. Any Captain that's going to volunteer to fly right seat and block reserve FOs from getting flying or extra pay is no better than a scab in my eyes. Maybe if we were cancelling flights due to staffing, but we aren't. Reserve FOs company-wide are lucky to see 20-30 hours a month, we are horribly under-used.
Reserve FOs are the group that's been hurt most by this 6 plane/hiring pause crap, because the entire time, since hire date, we've been logging virtually no hours. Anyone who's volunteering to rob reserve FOs of hours.. I just don't get it. Pick up some CA open time instead.
They must be predicting some SERIOUS fo shortage this winter. Right now, it feels just as fat as is did when we were 100 FO's fat in the spring
/rant
10-10-2017, 06:55 PM
#8264
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,614
Weird that choosing quality of life over raise is ok and not self serving.
If I came over from Ameriflight with a 1000 TPIC and decided to sit on the top of the FO list until I finished my degree while also cherry picking open time to pay for school is ok with you?If I come here, upgrade, sit reserve in the left seat, then pick up FO open time while also working on my degree is a bad thing?
One takes good lines and cherry picks open time while the other just cherry picks open time.
Regardless, like I said in my last post, if the union flat out says no then it's a no.
If I came over from Ameriflight with a 1000 TPIC and decided to sit on the top of the FO list until I finished my degree while also cherry picking open time to pay for school is ok with you?If I come here, upgrade, sit reserve in the left seat, then pick up FO open time while also working on my degree is a bad thing?
One takes good lines and cherry picks open time while the other just cherry picks open time.
Regardless, like I said in my last post, if the union flat out says no then it's a no.
10-10-2017, 07:04 PM
#8267
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Position: MEC Chairman, Snack Basket Committee
Posts: 3,199
Rant
As a reserve FO I am strongly against any right seat CAs.
Here I am, new to the 121 world and I've busted butt to get here at a young age to try to get ahead. Now I've been here for 9 months with barely 200 hours pulling my hair out because I'm essentially wasting time, going nowhere, adding nothing to my resume. The only thing I'm flying at Compass is the crew room couch, I'm on IOCC 4 times a day trying to grab open time. Even when I do fly it's usually a quick turn after 2 weeks of nothing, so the flying is barely comfortable or enjoyable. There's virtually no open time to grab, especially if you're not in LA. Reserve duty blocks or prevents grabbing most things in OT. Even then anything that pops up is "no longer available" by the time I get my request denied, meaning there's probably other reserve guys here as desperate to fly as I am. The reserve guys are starving for hours and that's why half of them have already jumped to other regionals. I'm at the point where I'd gladly take my 4 day off stretch and commute to LA to grab a trip of nothing but SAN turns, and I'd still do it even if it didn't add anything to my paycheck. Any Captain that's going to volunteer to fly right seat and block reserve FOs from getting flying or extra pay is no better than a scab in my eyes. Maybe if we were cancelling flights due to staffing, but we aren't. Reserve FOs company-wide are lucky to see 20-30 hours a month, we are horribly under-used.
Reserve FOs are the group that's been hurt most by this 6 plane/hiring pause crap, because the entire time, since hire date, we've been logging virtually no hours. Anyone who's volunteering to rob reserve FOs of hours.. I just don't get it. Pick up some CA open time instead.
/rant
As a reserve FO I am strongly against any right seat CAs.
Here I am, new to the 121 world and I've busted butt to get here at a young age to try to get ahead. Now I've been here for 9 months with barely 200 hours pulling my hair out because I'm essentially wasting time, going nowhere, adding nothing to my resume. The only thing I'm flying at Compass is the crew room couch, I'm on IOCC 4 times a day trying to grab open time. Even when I do fly it's usually a quick turn after 2 weeks of nothing, so the flying is barely comfortable or enjoyable. There's virtually no open time to grab, especially if you're not in LA. Reserve duty blocks or prevents grabbing most things in OT. Even then anything that pops up is "no longer available" by the time I get my request denied, meaning there's probably other reserve guys here as desperate to fly as I am. The reserve guys are starving for hours and that's why half of them have already jumped to other regionals. I'm at the point where I'd gladly take my 4 day off stretch and commute to LA to grab a trip of nothing but SAN turns, and I'd still do it even if it didn't add anything to my paycheck. Any Captain that's going to volunteer to fly right seat and block reserve FOs from getting flying or extra pay is no better than a scab in my eyes. Maybe if we were cancelling flights due to staffing, but we aren't. Reserve FOs company-wide are lucky to see 20-30 hours a month, we are horribly under-used.
Reserve FOs are the group that's been hurt most by this 6 plane/hiring pause crap, because the entire time, since hire date, we've been logging virtually no hours. Anyone who's volunteering to rob reserve FOs of hours.. I just don't get it. Pick up some CA open time instead.
/rant
I hope any guys wanting to fly right seat with their buddies hear this ^^. Fly your own seat! Learn how to be part of a union, have some solidarity, if you can't do it here, you won't do it at your next airline either and ain't nodoby got time fo'dat
10-10-2017, 07:11 PM
#8268
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 516
Word302 either make some friends, meet a woman, get some flying done, submit a resume to compass, or stop trolling the forums of regionals you don't even work for. You're like that kid in high school who shows up at a party uninvited and sticks around after everyone asks him to leave. I'm sure your OO Facebook group or the ERAU CFI page would appreciate your posts more.
10-10-2017, 07:20 PM
#8269
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 338
Rant
As a reserve FO I am strongly against any right seat CAs.
Here I am, new to the 121 world and I've busted butt to get here at a young age to try to get ahead. Now I've been here for 9 months with barely 200 hours pulling my hair out because I'm essentially wasting time, going nowhere, adding nothing to my resume. The only thing I'm flying at Compass is the crew room couch, I'm on IOCC 4 times a day trying to grab open time. Even when I do fly it's usually a quick turn after 2 weeks of nothing, so the flying is barely comfortable or enjoyable. There's virtually no open time to grab, especially if you're not in LA. Reserve duty blocks or prevents grabbing most things in OT. Even then anything that pops up is "no longer available" by the time I get my request denied, meaning there's probably other reserve guys here as desperate to fly as I am. The reserve guys are starving for hours and that's why half of them have already jumped to other regionals. I'm at the point where I'd gladly take my 4 day off stretch and commute to LA to grab a trip of nothing but SAN turns, and I'd still do it even if it didn't add anything to my paycheck. Any Captain that's going to volunteer to fly right seat and block reserve FOs from getting flying or extra pay is no better than a scab in my eyes. Maybe if we were cancelling flights due to staffing, but we aren't. Reserve FOs company-wide are lucky to see 20-30 hours a month, we are horribly under-used.
Reserve FOs are the group that's been hurt most by this 6 plane/hiring pause crap, because the entire time, since hire date, we've been logging virtually no hours. Anyone who's volunteering to rob reserve FOs of hours.. I just don't get it. Pick up some CA open time instead.
They must be predicting some SERIOUS fo shortage this winter. Right now, it feels just as fat as is did when we were 100 FO's fat in the spring
/rant
As a reserve FO I am strongly against any right seat CAs.
Here I am, new to the 121 world and I've busted butt to get here at a young age to try to get ahead. Now I've been here for 9 months with barely 200 hours pulling my hair out because I'm essentially wasting time, going nowhere, adding nothing to my resume. The only thing I'm flying at Compass is the crew room couch, I'm on IOCC 4 times a day trying to grab open time. Even when I do fly it's usually a quick turn after 2 weeks of nothing, so the flying is barely comfortable or enjoyable. There's virtually no open time to grab, especially if you're not in LA. Reserve duty blocks or prevents grabbing most things in OT. Even then anything that pops up is "no longer available" by the time I get my request denied, meaning there's probably other reserve guys here as desperate to fly as I am. The reserve guys are starving for hours and that's why half of them have already jumped to other regionals. I'm at the point where I'd gladly take my 4 day off stretch and commute to LA to grab a trip of nothing but SAN turns, and I'd still do it even if it didn't add anything to my paycheck. Any Captain that's going to volunteer to fly right seat and block reserve FOs from getting flying or extra pay is no better than a scab in my eyes. Maybe if we were cancelling flights due to staffing, but we aren't. Reserve FOs company-wide are lucky to see 20-30 hours a month, we are horribly under-used.
Reserve FOs are the group that's been hurt most by this 6 plane/hiring pause crap, because the entire time, since hire date, we've been logging virtually no hours. Anyone who's volunteering to rob reserve FOs of hours.. I just don't get it. Pick up some CA open time instead.
They must be predicting some SERIOUS fo shortage this winter. Right now, it feels just as fat as is did when we were 100 FO's fat in the spring
/rant
If the company told you right seat qualified captain's would allow them to upgrade more would you be ok with it? This is how other companies I have worked for do it. By giving the company carte blanche with right seat captain's it makes it so they are less likely to throttle upgrades with due to fears of not having reserve first officers. In fact they can upgrade so much that they don't need a single reserve FO and can cover all flying with Captains. The catch is they will have a rather lengthy list of reserve Captains. But would you rather be on reserve as an FO or as a Captain? Quality of life is the same but one pays more and is a choice.
So how will this help you as a reserve FO? You won't have to be picking up scraps to fly. You'll actually have a line and upgrade times will be shorter.
10-10-2017, 07:24 PM
#8270
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 857
Word302 either make some friends, meet a woman, get some flying done, submit a resume to compass, or stop trolling the forums of regionals you don't even work for. You're like that kid in high school who shows up at a party uninvited and sticks around after everyone asks him to leave. I'm sure your OO Facebook group or the ERAU CFI page would appreciate your posts more.
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