Compass Updates - Saga Continues
10-10-2017, 05:32 PM
#8251
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A bypassing FO is filling the sic column with worthless hours. A bypassing FO is typically bidding the most lucrative trips (giving other FOs less productive flying). A bypassing FO is getting a lot of days off and likely picking up a lot of flying. Having people sitting on the top of the list in either seat is a bad thing.
I don't see how you can think a right seat captain is the equivalent of a scab without understanding how a bypassing FO hurts other FOs at a greater level.
As I've said before, if you allow right seat captain's you essentially do not need reserve first officers (reserve captains can do that flying). The company can have enough captain's on reserve to cover FO and CA flying. This encourages the company to upgrade and keeps FOs off reserve. I do not see why this is a bad thing. Would you rather be on reserve looking to pick up flying or a line holder?
Maybe agreeing to disagree is appropriate.
I don't see how you can think a right seat captain is the equivalent of a scab without understanding how a bypassing FO hurts other FOs at a greater level.
As I've said before, if you allow right seat captain's you essentially do not need reserve first officers (reserve captains can do that flying). The company can have enough captain's on reserve to cover FO and CA flying. This encourages the company to upgrade and keeps FOs off reserve. I do not see why this is a bad thing. Would you rather be on reserve looking to pick up flying or a line holder?
Maybe agreeing to disagree is appropriate.
First off I never said anything about a scab, so let’s get that clear. But basically ur saying that filing the Column with worthless sic hrs is a bad thing, yet your a ca that wants to fill that column with more sic hrs, so that makes no sense. As someone stated 1,000hrs of pic is not the magic number anymore otherwise we wouldn’t be here having this conversation as you would be long gone and at a major already. Again, I just don’t understand your logic here. I agree with the union and every other ca I talk to about this, right seat ca flying hurts us all.
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10-10-2017, 05:32 PM
#8252
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Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 165
Friends don't let their captain friends volunteer to fly right seat. But hey, it's all about me me me at this place no matter the damage done to your fellow pilots so have it. Your own union is asking people to not do this. But hey volunteer and get on everyone's #&=* list. Have at it.
10-10-2017, 05:36 PM
#8253
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 128
A bypassing FO is filling the sic column with worthless hours. A bypassing FO is typically bidding the most lucrative trips (giving other FOs less productive flying). A bypassing FO is getting a lot of days off and likely picking up a lot of flying. Having people sitting on the top of the list in either seat is a bad thing.
I don't see how you can think a right seat captain is the equivalent of a scab without understanding how a bypassing FO hurts other FOs at a greater level.
As I've said before, if you allow right seat captain's you essentially do not need reserve first officers (reserve captains can do that flying). The company can have enough captain's on reserve to cover FO and CA flying. This encourages the company to upgrade and keeps FOs off reserve. I do not see why this is a bad thing. Would you rather be on reserve looking to pick up flying or a line holder?
Maybe agreeing to disagree is appropriate.
I don't see how you can think a right seat captain is the equivalent of a scab without understanding how a bypassing FO hurts other FOs at a greater level.
As I've said before, if you allow right seat captain's you essentially do not need reserve first officers (reserve captains can do that flying). The company can have enough captain's on reserve to cover FO and CA flying. This encourages the company to upgrade and keeps FOs off reserve. I do not see why this is a bad thing. Would you rather be on reserve looking to pick up flying or a line holder?
Maybe agreeing to disagree is appropriate.
Your logic is seriously flawed and self serving. If you said that you were volunteering to keep the company from cancelling flights and or junior manning an overworked FO group, that would be different..... Although still not your problem.
10-10-2017, 05:38 PM
#8254
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On a side note, are we allowed to pick up trips which on a scheduled vacation day?
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10-10-2017, 06:02 PM
#8256
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First off I never said anything about a scab, so let’s get that clear. But basically ur saying that filing the Column with worthless sic hrs is a bad thing, yet your a ca that wants to fill that column with more sic hrs, so that makes no sense. As someone stated 1,000hrs of pic is not the magic number anymore otherwise we wouldn’t be here having this conversation as you would be long gone and at a major already. Again, I just don’t understand your logic here. I agree with the union and every other ca I talk to about this, right seat ca flying hurts us all.
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Implying that right seat captains prolong reserve seems incorrect. Reserve is exists because a pilot is unable to hold a line as a result of the bid process. Right seat captain flying would picked up post bid (after reserves are assigned).
With that said if the union doesn't want it I won't do it. When we start left seat qualifying first officers I expect to see the same unity.
10-10-2017, 06:12 PM
#8257
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 338
Are you crazy? A senior FO that bypasses upgrade is choosing QOL over a pay raise, which is well within their right. A right seat captain took the pay raise, and now is going to cherry pick the good trips out of open time from the FO's who want/need the flying.
Your logic is seriously flawed and self serving. If you said that you were volunteering to keep the company from cancelling flights and or junior manning an overworked FO group, that would be different..... Although still not your problem.
Your logic is seriously flawed and self serving. If you said that you were volunteering to keep the company from cancelling flights and or junior manning an overworked FO group, that would be different..... Although still not your problem.
If I came over from Ameriflight with a 1000 TPIC and decided to sit on the top of the FO list until I finished my degree while also cherry picking open time to pay for school is ok with you?If I come here, upgrade, sit reserve in the left seat, then pick up FO open time while also working on my degree is a bad thing?
One takes good lines and cherry picks open time while the other just cherry picks open time.
Regardless, like I said in my last post, if the union flat out says no then it's a no.
10-10-2017, 06:27 PM
#8259
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 469
There’s nothing wrong with senior FOs not upgrading. Sometimes life happens, some people aren’t ready, and some have no businesss in the left-seat.
As far as right seat Captains, let me paint it this way: If I’m a Pilot, I don’t pick up shifts as an Aircraft Dispatcher or Flight Attendant, so the company doesn’t have to hire more ADX or FAs.
Always do what your union says, no matter the cause, solidarity is very important in this industry.
As far as right seat Captains, let me paint it this way: If I’m a Pilot, I don’t pick up shifts as an Aircraft Dispatcher or Flight Attendant, so the company doesn’t have to hire more ADX or FAs.
Always do what your union says, no matter the cause, solidarity is very important in this industry.
10-10-2017, 06:43 PM
#8260
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,614
Is it really working for free? A reserve is getting paid 75 hours a month to fill in gaps that happen in scheduling. Sometimes you get paid to sit at home. By picking up a trade you don't help the schedulers fill any gaps, you're just flying a trip that already had a pilot fly it. So why would they need to pay you more if the contract doesn't even mention it. It doesn't help the company at all and ALPA didn't add it to our contract language. Legally I don't see why they have to.
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