Compass Updates - Saga Continues
#7681
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 353
Hi folks, I have a class
Date at horizon for the 175 ar
The end of Oct. I am seriously considering by passing this and interviewing at Compass. I am curious as to what the training is like? Fire hose? Not bad? Etc. I am also curious as to what hotel they put you up at in Minnie? General feeling about the stability? Stability is why I am leaning towards not taking my QX date. Are people generally happy there? Thanks
Date at horizon for the 175 ar
The end of Oct. I am seriously considering by passing this and interviewing at Compass. I am curious as to what the training is like? Fire hose? Not bad? Etc. I am also curious as to what hotel they put you up at in Minnie? General feeling about the stability? Stability is why I am leaning towards not taking my QX date. Are people generally happy there? Thanks
#7683
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 443
Hi folks, I have a class
Date at horizon for the 175 ar
The end of Oct. I am seriously considering by passing this and interviewing at Compass. I am curious as to what the training is like? Fire hose? Not bad? Etc. I am also curious as to what hotel they put you up at in Minnie? General feeling about the stability? Stability is why I am leaning towards not taking my QX date. Are people generally happy there? Thanks
Date at horizon for the 175 ar
The end of Oct. I am seriously considering by passing this and interviewing at Compass. I am curious as to what the training is like? Fire hose? Not bad? Etc. I am also curious as to what hotel they put you up at in Minnie? General feeling about the stability? Stability is why I am leaning towards not taking my QX date. Are people generally happy there? Thanks
#7684
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 51
A friend of mine submitted his app a week ago and hasn’t heard anything. College degree, good gpa, no failures, no “skelatons.” No response to the email I sent as well. Must not be too bad over there at the moment...
#7685
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 531
If this were January I'd say GO ELSEWHERE but honestly it's shaping up to be a ton of fast movement around here at the moment. Seattle is easy to get out of training (at the time of my writing this). The pay is great and the captains and crews are all super nice.
Honestly you could be quite happy at OO or Horizon, but you could also be quite happy here.
Training is a fire hose for the first week of indoc until you realize that you don't actually have to know everything they're touching on. After the first week or two, training is broken down into easy steps with repetition and really isn't much to sweat. Lots of home study beforehand. Hotel (at least in the early spring) was Extended Stay Eagan. Definitely a 3/5 star place but they have a compass crew room that was nice. From intro day to completed IOE, I'd say 4 months
Honestly you could be quite happy at OO or Horizon, but you could also be quite happy here.
Training is a fire hose for the first week of indoc until you realize that you don't actually have to know everything they're touching on. After the first week or two, training is broken down into easy steps with repetition and really isn't much to sweat. Lots of home study beforehand. Hotel (at least in the early spring) was Extended Stay Eagan. Definitely a 3/5 star place but they have a compass crew room that was nice. From intro day to completed IOE, I'd say 4 months
#7686
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 162
Thanks for all the replies guys. Can someone tell me if the home study is a course by Aero Sim?
#7687
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 283
Nah it's like GE capitol or something for the E175 cbt and a bunch of compass specific CBTS.
#7688
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 338
Ok I know this is probably going to open up a Can of worms so everyone forgive me.
According to the contract a definition of a captain " means a pilot who is in command of the aircraft and its crew members while on duty and is responsible for the manipulation of, or who manipulates, the flight controls of an aircraft while underway, including takeoff and landing of such aircraft and who is properly qualified and designated by the company to serve as and holds currently effective Airman certificates authorizing him to serve as such pilot."
The reason I bring this up is that it states in order to be a "Captain" you must be "in command". I believe this renders the Clause that a "Captain who occupies the right seat will be paid as a Captain" completely useless since that contradicts the CBA's definition of "Captain".
I also feel that this language would give the company the ability to "left seat qualify" pilots but only allow them to collect Captain pay if they were "in command of the aircraft".
I know the last place I worked at would have exploited this loophole to their benefit. Anyone care to tell me why this interpretation may not be correct.
According to the contract a definition of a captain " means a pilot who is in command of the aircraft and its crew members while on duty and is responsible for the manipulation of, or who manipulates, the flight controls of an aircraft while underway, including takeoff and landing of such aircraft and who is properly qualified and designated by the company to serve as and holds currently effective Airman certificates authorizing him to serve as such pilot."
The reason I bring this up is that it states in order to be a "Captain" you must be "in command". I believe this renders the Clause that a "Captain who occupies the right seat will be paid as a Captain" completely useless since that contradicts the CBA's definition of "Captain".
I also feel that this language would give the company the ability to "left seat qualify" pilots but only allow them to collect Captain pay if they were "in command of the aircraft".
I know the last place I worked at would have exploited this loophole to their benefit. Anyone care to tell me why this interpretation may not be correct.
Last edited by GoHomeLeg; 09-23-2017 at 10:28 PM.
#7689
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 28
Ok I know this is probably going to open up a Can of worms so everyone forgive me.
According to the contract a definition of a captain " means a pilot who is in command of the aircraft and its crew members while on duty and is responsible for the manipulation of, or who manipulates, the flight controls of an aircraft while underway, including takeoff and landing of such aircraft and who is properly qualified and designated by the company to serve as and holds currently effective Airman certificates authorizing him to serve as such pilot."
The reason I bring this up is that it states in order to be a "Captain" you must be "in command". I believe this renders the Clause that a "Captain who occupies the right seat will be paid as a Captain" completely useless since that contradicts the CBA's definition of "Captain".
I also feel that this language would give the company the ability to "left seat qualify" pilots but only allow them to collect Captain pay if they were "in command of the aircraft".
I know the last place I worked at would have exploited this loophole to their benefit. Anyone care to tell me why this interpretation may not be correct.
According to the contract a definition of a captain " means a pilot who is in command of the aircraft and its crew members while on duty and is responsible for the manipulation of, or who manipulates, the flight controls of an aircraft while underway, including takeoff and landing of such aircraft and who is properly qualified and designated by the company to serve as and holds currently effective Airman certificates authorizing him to serve as such pilot."
The reason I bring this up is that it states in order to be a "Captain" you must be "in command". I believe this renders the Clause that a "Captain who occupies the right seat will be paid as a Captain" completely useless since that contradicts the CBA's definition of "Captain".
I also feel that this language would give the company the ability to "left seat qualify" pilots but only allow them to collect Captain pay if they were "in command of the aircraft".
I know the last place I worked at would have exploited this loophole to their benefit. Anyone care to tell me why this interpretation may not be correct.
So, old guy here, Former Captain at a similar airline in the 80's and 90's. It was normal SOP to get called to fly the right seat occasionally while on reserve. There was no special "right seat Qual " involved, because we had a type rating and FO's did not ... If you have a type rating, you can occupy any seat you choose, because, well, you had the type...
This should work both ways, now that FOs get type ratings ... you're already a Captain, (otherwise, why the type rating) Upgrade for you guys should be like a two day transition thing, involving things like fuel planning, delegation strategies and judgement issues, instead of a whole "'nother type" really?? Sorry for venting, but many developments of the last two decades just seem really silly to me.
Be safe out there.
#7690
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 338
Forgive me for chiming in, I'm the first to admit that I know very little about your CBA and associated work rules. I'm only quoting the above as it is the last post in a long line of threads addressing the same subject matter.
So, old guy here, Former Captain at a similar airline in the 80's and 90's. It was normal SOP to get called to fly the right seat occasionally while on reserve. There was no special "right seat Qual " involved, because we had a type rating and FO's did not ... If you have a type rating, you can occupy any seat you choose, because, well, you had the type...
This should work both ways, now that FOs get type ratings ... you're already a Captain, (otherwise, why the type rating) Upgrade for you guys should be like a two day transition thing, involving things like fuel planning, delegation strategies and judgement issues, instead of a whole "'nother type" really?? Sorry for venting, but many developments of the last two decades just seem really silly to me.
Be safe out there.
So, old guy here, Former Captain at a similar airline in the 80's and 90's. It was normal SOP to get called to fly the right seat occasionally while on reserve. There was no special "right seat Qual " involved, because we had a type rating and FO's did not ... If you have a type rating, you can occupy any seat you choose, because, well, you had the type...
This should work both ways, now that FOs get type ratings ... you're already a Captain, (otherwise, why the type rating) Upgrade for you guys should be like a two day transition thing, involving things like fuel planning, delegation strategies and judgement issues, instead of a whole "'nother type" really?? Sorry for venting, but many developments of the last two decades just seem really silly to me.
Be safe out there.
As for "upgrade" I think you are spot on about how training should go. It's crazy times my friend.
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