Fpmx772

Really dude, do I seriously need to explain to you why they won't offer CA pay to an FO who is not a CA?! Come on....smh


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WesternSkies

I love to hear that you still think about me baby.

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All for SkyWest. Beautiful.

GoHomeLeg

Honestly what would you rather have them do? Stop upgrading so they can keep guys in the right seat or keep upgrading and allow captains to sit the right seat? By allowing captains to sit in the right seat it makes it so they can still upgrade. Remember we're not short Captain's we're short first officers.

Parkedplane

Pretty sure we are short captains. Hence the critical pays and the continuation of upgrades. If we weren't short captains, why not just stop upgrades and fix the FO problem?

Lytechop

Thanks MrBogardi!

I'm on your side and the rest of our pilot group but, first of all, do you really think the company "wants" to pay CA/CA?

If you do then the rest of this will make no sense. If you do, then maybe it will.

The company made a bad decision to stop hiring and upgrades. And, the consequences of those choices are evident.

So now, "they" are doing everything they can to ensure the airline won't be in a similar situation as Horizon at present or Mesa from a year or two ago.

The fact that they made a mistake places a heavy burden on, both, the company and the pilot group.

The "responsibility" for the error is owned by whomever, in the ivory tower, made the choice to halt the process.

However, the fallout is jointly shared by all stake holders. This includes the company, flight ops, inflight , SOC, MOC, and the rest of all the HQ and support staff.

Look, there's folks flying less than 15 hours a month, on property at this moment. Surely, there's a huge supply of talent waiting on the FO bench that will absorb the delta in our contractual flying, as is. Also, if I had to bet, new hire classes will begin to fill up again providing more relief AFTER the fourth quarter.

Clearly the company sees a projected limit to the bench numbers and are pontificating plans b and c.

There is absolutely nothing contractual to prevent them from making it mandatory. It would just require the same training to right seat qualify Captains, be it voluntary or mandatory.

No argument, that if we hadn't stopped hiring then, we most likely wouldn't be here now.

But, I think you're missing the truth of the current situation.

Keeping Captains here longer doesn't help the P&L.

Keeping FO's from getting time doesn't help the need to upgrade in a timely fashion.

Moving people from here keeps profitability at its zenith.

Although, I agree with you when you mentioned less critical pay from FO's and lessening the realization of any retention bonuses.

However, I don't think this is the companies motivation as straight CA pay has a much higher exposure to the bottom line than critical FO pay.

It's pretty clear that the race to the bottom trend, industrywide, has been reversed and now the pay will only continue to escalate. Hopefully, it will be hard permanent per hour pay and or even a higher guarantee, etc.

Seems to me this memo from MW, is more of a testing of plan b viability than an adversarial attempt to restrain us from a left seat commute or upward movement to (fill in the blank). I think plan c would be mandatory.

In the end, I'm not yelling at you. In fact, I'm on your side here.

Just trying to look from every angle.

I'd like to see each and everyone of us at our destiny legacy ASAP, but until then, can we keep an awesome atmosphere for everyone, including the new guys?

Can we agree that we'd like to see the company be as successful as possible, for the benefit of all of our employees?

God forbid, there's a world event that stops the music for a while again. For one, I'd like to be at a place that can weather the storm, if the unthinkable should happen.

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MrBogardi

There is a negligible pay rate difference between year 2 and year 3 CA pay. It is much better business wise to have a captain spend more than a year on property. The upgrade training cost itself is more than the difference in income a CA will make by having a small increase in pay rate each year

And no I don't need to have someone explain why FOs shouldn't get paid CA rates. I was simply pointing out the lack of critical pay on the FO side.

Also we are nowhere close to having our company be shut down due to lack of staffing. When was the last time a compass flight was cancelled because they couldn't find a pilot?

Don't fall for the management scare tactics. We are no where close to going under because of lack of flight crew. If the time comes where every FO is flying 95 hours and flights are being cancelled due to no FOs then I will support right seat CA flying.

I want this company to succeed as much as everyone else.

DaCat1989

I’ll volunteer to fly the right seat if compass makes me a check airman.

Problem solved

Crimson

So they are "willing" to pay 72-75/hr for the right seat... seems like their pockets are deep.

Fpmx772

Boom! Sign me up as well!


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veewan

Just remember that when it's time to negotiate a new contract.