Compass Updates - Saga Continues
09-22-2017, 12:03 PM
#7642
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Dude you could strap a wheel to each of my limbs and call me a catering cart for 500% captain pay!
Side note: FO reserves aren't flying much. 30-35 hours a month for me forenthe past several months. Also very inefficient trips. For example I'm on a 2 night trip with 3 dead heads only operating one flight. Senior FOs are showing 17 or 18 days off in some cases. I doubt anyone is going to have to right seat qualify when the company could easily increase their reserve efficiency and usage. Hell, let us pick trips up in OT..
Side note: FO reserves aren't flying much. 30-35 hours a month for me forenthe past several months. Also very inefficient trips. For example I'm on a 2 night trip with 3 dead heads only operating one flight. Senior FOs are showing 17 or 18 days off in some cases. I doubt anyone is going to have to right seat qualify when the company could easily increase their reserve efficiency and usage. Hell, let us pick trips up in OT..
Epic, love it!
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09-22-2017, 12:21 PM
#7644
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Section 3 states
“ E. Flying in a Different Rank or Position 1. A Pilot holding a Captain Position who flies as First Officer will be paid at Captain rates. “
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09-22-2017, 12:28 PM
#7645
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: On the right hand side
Posts: 665
StallWeezy is a jab at SkyWest (SkyWeezy) for their low speed events.
The Compass flight that almost stalled, was on the arrival into LAX, but since we have so many children of the magenta here, they clicked off the Autothrottle rather than overriding it or being ready to set N1 manually when leveling. In the level off they did not set the appropriate N1 and the plane decelerated. I say children of the magenta because if the plane ain't doing what you'd like you're still the pilot at the end of the day.
We have seen the results of bad monitoring/automation complacency in multiple incidents. Asiana in SFO and more recently Emirates were both mechanically sound aircraft where the pilots did not manually adjust the thrust due to an expectation that the automation would take care of them.
The Compass flight that almost stalled, was on the arrival into LAX, but since we have so many children of the magenta here, they clicked off the Autothrottle rather than overriding it or being ready to set N1 manually when leveling. In the level off they did not set the appropriate N1 and the plane decelerated. I say children of the magenta because if the plane ain't doing what you'd like you're still the pilot at the end of the day.
We have seen the results of bad monitoring/automation complacency in multiple incidents. Asiana in SFO and more recently Emirates were both mechanically sound aircraft where the pilots did not manually adjust the thrust due to an expectation that the automation would take care of them.
09-22-2017, 12:43 PM
#7646
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It was, mostly, a fourth quarter anomaly at Republic.
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09-22-2017, 12:44 PM
#7647
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Joined APC: May 2017
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Originally Posted by week
Hell, let us pick trips up in OT..
09-22-2017, 01:55 PM
#7648
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
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CAs flying right seat slows career progression and pay away from everybody.
If makes junior FOs stay on reserve longer.
It takes flying away from line holding FOs.
It takes critical pay away from all FOs.
It decreases the need for raising FO pay rates any more or instituting a retention bonus.
It creates an expectation that other CAs should fly right seat.
It slows the building of PIC time. Fly 1,000 hours but only a portion is PIC, therefore slowing your chance of getting that call from your dream airline.
This is a cheap way to get people to stay here longer by creating an environment where each pilot gains their PIC time slower.
If makes junior FOs stay on reserve longer.
It takes flying away from line holding FOs.
It takes critical pay away from all FOs.
It decreases the need for raising FO pay rates any more or instituting a retention bonus.
It creates an expectation that other CAs should fly right seat.
It slows the building of PIC time. Fly 1,000 hours but only a portion is PIC, therefore slowing your chance of getting that call from your dream airline.
This is a cheap way to get people to stay here longer by creating an environment where each pilot gains their PIC time slower.
09-22-2017, 02:05 PM
#7649
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Posts: 1,186
CAs flying right seat slows career progression and pay away from everybody.
If makes junior FOs stay on reserve longer.
It takes flying away from line holding FOs.
It takes critical pay away from all FOs.
It decreases the need for raising FO pay rates any more or instituting a retention bonus.
It creates an expectation that other CAs should fly right seat.
It slows the building of PIC time. Fly 1,000 hours but only a portion is PIC, therefore slowing your chance of getting that call from your dream airline.
This is a cheap way to get people to stay here longer by creating an environment where each pilot gains their PIC time slower.
If makes junior FOs stay on reserve longer.
It takes flying away from line holding FOs.
It takes critical pay away from all FOs.
It decreases the need for raising FO pay rates any more or instituting a retention bonus.
It creates an expectation that other CAs should fly right seat.
It slows the building of PIC time. Fly 1,000 hours but only a portion is PIC, therefore slowing your chance of getting that call from your dream airline.
This is a cheap way to get people to stay here longer by creating an environment where each pilot gains their PIC time slower.
I don't completely agree with everything you said. It's not like the company is going to build a CA an FO line for a month. If this is like all the other airlines that have this same CQFO thing, then it will not be utilized very often. More of a worst case scenario when we don't have an FO to fill a seat but we have a CA who can. You guys seriously need to chill out. This is a volunteer only thing right now.
I think it's a good thing they are offering this because at the end of the day, we don't own our planes, we don't own our routes and we don't charge our own ticket prices. Unfortunately we are at the mercy of DL and AA and we have to still provide good performance numbers in order to maintain our current and future contracts. Again, this is a volunteer thing and not mandatory of every CA out here. I won't be summiting my request for it that's for sure, but I also don't blame anyone who will to make extra money to provide for his/her family and to help the company complete its performance numbers for the day. It is a BS bandaid fix to their staffing issues but so be it. We can't go back in time and hire between Jan and June.
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09-22-2017, 02:15 PM
#7650
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I don't completely agree with everything you said. It's not like the company is going to build a CA an FO line for a month. If this is like all the other airlines that have this same CQFO thing, then it will not be utilized very often. More of a worst case scenario when we don't have an FO to fill a seat but we have a CA who can. You guys seriously need to chill out. This is a volunteer only thing right now.
I think it's a good thing they are offering this because at the end of the day, we don't own our planes, we don't own our routes and we don't charge our own ticket prices. Unfortunately we are at the mercy of DL and AA and we have to still provide good performance numbers in order to maintain our current and future contracts. Again, this is a volunteer thing and not mandatory of every CA out here. I won't be summiting my request for it that's for sure, but I also don't blame anyone who will to make extra money to provide for his/her family and to help the company complete its performance numbers for the day. It is a BS bandaid fix to their staffing issues but so be it. We can't go back in time and hire between Jan and June.
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I think it's a good thing they are offering this because at the end of the day, we don't own our planes, we don't own our routes and we don't charge our own ticket prices. Unfortunately we are at the mercy of DL and AA and we have to still provide good performance numbers in order to maintain our current and future contracts. Again, this is a volunteer thing and not mandatory of every CA out here. I won't be summiting my request for it that's for sure, but I also don't blame anyone who will to make extra money to provide for his/her family and to help the company complete its performance numbers for the day. It is a BS bandaid fix to their staffing issues but so be it. We can't go back in time and hire between Jan and June.
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