Compass Updates - Saga Continues
#6131
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Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 343
Is the seniority number on the vacancy award the Flica number? If so, my number is higher than people being awarded captain upgrades, but in the "what if" bid it says I would not be awarded. Also looking at a random person that was just awarded with a lower vacancy award seniority number, they are higher than me on the July 2017 seniority list posted on comply, which is completely different than the award number. What am I missing? How do I figure out when I can upgrade? Do I go off the comply seniority list?
#6132
Report from the front lines in MSP. Talked to a recruiting pilot. Struggling to fill classes with qualified people. Getting 5 apps a day but they are still trying to find the right talent and not resorting to...other airline's standards (we all know who I'm talking about). Apparently there is a big regret that they stopped hiring all together. Having difficulty playing catch up. 3 classes a month but they aren't all full. Averaging 5-6 guys per class, 8 would be full. Attrition is higher than expected and they are falling behind on the upgrade train as well. 50 some LCAs left within the past year. Just figured I would give an update from the training department to y'all. No mention of that dang MIA base I read about on a yoke clip...yet...
#6133
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: On the right hand side
Posts: 665
Report from the front lines in MSP. Talked to a recruiting pilot. Struggling to fill classes with qualified people. Getting 5 apps a day but they are still trying to find the right talent and not resorting to...other airline's standards (we all know who I'm talking about). Apparently there is a big regret that they stopped hiring all together. Having difficulty playing catch up. 3 classes a month but they aren't all full. Averaging 5-6 guys per class, 8 would be full. Attrition is higher than expected and they are falling behind on the upgrade train as well. 50 some LCAs left within the past year. Just figured I would give an update from the training department to y'all. No mention of that dang MIA base I read about on a yoke clip...yet...
Some airlines are lowering standards (and I will call Mesa out) while others are offering money and, or flow/pathway programs. I am pretty sure there will be a cash incentive soon if they cannot continue to fill classes.
When the upgrade train stopped here, they forgot the movement continued elsewhere. Recently there was even a 3 month upgrade at Envoy (obviously it is not the average, just like the 4 month longevity pilot at Delta). A lot of people came to Compass for the quick upgrade, but when that slowed down so did some of the incentive to fly for a west coast airline unless you really want to live or be based in LA or Seattle.
Long story short it is a great time to be a pilot as we watch the conditions improve.
#6134
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,267
I do remember someone posting on here that it was a bad idea for them to freeze hiring in this market, but I guess it was just some dumb pilot and they know better.
Some airlines are lowering standards (and I will call Mesa out) while others are offering money and, or flow/pathway programs. I am pretty sure there will be a cash incentive soon if they cannot continue to fill classes.
When the upgrade train stopped here, they forgot the movement continued elsewhere. Recently there was even a 3 month upgrade at Envoy (obviously it is not the average, just like the 4 month longevity pilot at Delta). A lot of people came to Compass for the quick upgrade, but when that slowed down so did some of the incentive to fly for a west coast airline unless you really want to live or be based in LA or Seattle.
Long story short it is a great time to be a pilot as we watch the conditions improve.
Some airlines are lowering standards (and I will call Mesa out) while others are offering money and, or flow/pathway programs. I am pretty sure there will be a cash incentive soon if they cannot continue to fill classes.
When the upgrade train stopped here, they forgot the movement continued elsewhere. Recently there was even a 3 month upgrade at Envoy (obviously it is not the average, just like the 4 month longevity pilot at Delta). A lot of people came to Compass for the quick upgrade, but when that slowed down so did some of the incentive to fly for a west coast airline unless you really want to live or be based in LA or Seattle.
Long story short it is a great time to be a pilot as we watch the conditions improve.
If we want new blood something has to change. Flow is not going to happen... So we can stop talking about that. Fast upgrades are dependent on growth,and I don't know where that's going to happen... Might as well stop talking about that. Pay and retention bonuses is about the only thing that can be easily and directly controlled. FUPM has to happen if they want this company to survive... Unfortunately I've got three little letters for everyone... TSH.
#6135
I might be mistaken but I thought that the 4 commuter rooms a month and a couple of other things I can not currently recall were the result of the the union grieving new hire bonuses and winning. The thought process being that it potentially benefited the entire pilot group and not just new hires so I'm pretty sure that new hire/retention bonuses are not even an option.
#6136
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Position: B-737
Posts: 433
I might be mistaken but I thought that the 4 commuter rooms a month and a couple of other things I can not currently recall were the result of the the union grieving new hire bonuses and winning. The thought process being that it potentially benefited the entire pilot group and not just new hires so I'm pretty sure that new hire/retention bonuses are not even an option.
#6137
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 80
Hi guys what is the current upgrade time? I'm thinking about applying. What is the base out of class?
#6138
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,267
I don't THINK the pilot group would have a problem with a retention bonus. Who knows, though? That's really the only front we can keep up with out peers. It's the only thing we can do to get fresh faces.
#6140
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
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I'm thinking retention bonuses, maybe an LOA if they use the current grievances as a bargaining chip. We'll see what happens, but I've got a feeling they are already behind the power curve.
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