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#5322
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 273
I think CS has not been awarding reserve assignments correctly let me know if you think this is right or not.
Say you are on LCR and starting a 4 day stretch.
They call up on the morning of the first day and give you a SFO turn for the next day.
I don't think this follows the contract. From what I read the CBA says,
if a trip is open for the next day it will be assigned IN SILO ORDER to a pilot on recovery, and then to a LCR and then to short call reserve with lowest credit time. If none are available then go to the next silo.
So in the case above they should only be calling me for that trip if there is no one available in the 1 day silo, or the 2 day or the 3 day.
What it looks like they have been doing, if there are a few 1 day trips open, they are assigning them to all the LCR pilots regardless what silo they are in. so a LCR pilot in the 3 day is getting assigned a 1 day trip when there are plenty of pilots in the 1 and 2 day silo.
do you agree this is not correct?
Say you are on LCR and starting a 4 day stretch.
They call up on the morning of the first day and give you a SFO turn for the next day.
I don't think this follows the contract. From what I read the CBA says,
if a trip is open for the next day it will be assigned IN SILO ORDER to a pilot on recovery, and then to a LCR and then to short call reserve with lowest credit time. If none are available then go to the next silo.
So in the case above they should only be calling me for that trip if there is no one available in the 1 day silo, or the 2 day or the 3 day.
What it looks like they have been doing, if there are a few 1 day trips open, they are assigning them to all the LCR pilots regardless what silo they are in. so a LCR pilot in the 3 day is getting assigned a 1 day trip when there are plenty of pilots in the 1 and 2 day silo.
do you agree this is not correct?
#5323
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 276
I think CS has not been awarding reserve assignments correctly let me know if you think this is right or not.
Say you are on LCR and starting a 4 day stretch.
They call up on the morning of the first day and give you a SFO turn for the next day.
I don't think this follows the contract. From what I read the CBA says,
if a trip is open for the next day it will be assigned IN SILO ORDER to a pilot on recovery, and then to a LCR and then to short call reserve with lowest credit time. If none are available then go to the next silo.
So in the case above they should only be calling me for that trip if there is no one available in the 1 day silo, or the 2 day or the 3 day.
What it looks like they have been doing, if there are a few 1 day trips open, they are assigning them to all the LCR pilots regardless what silo they are in. so a LCR pilot in the 3 day is getting assigned a 1 day trip when there are plenty of pilots in the 1 and 2 day silo.
do you agree this is not correct?
Say you are on LCR and starting a 4 day stretch.
They call up on the morning of the first day and give you a SFO turn for the next day.
I don't think this follows the contract. From what I read the CBA says,
if a trip is open for the next day it will be assigned IN SILO ORDER to a pilot on recovery, and then to a LCR and then to short call reserve with lowest credit time. If none are available then go to the next silo.
So in the case above they should only be calling me for that trip if there is no one available in the 1 day silo, or the 2 day or the 3 day.
What it looks like they have been doing, if there are a few 1 day trips open, they are assigning them to all the LCR pilots regardless what silo they are in. so a LCR pilot in the 3 day is getting assigned a 1 day trip when there are plenty of pilots in the 1 and 2 day silo.
do you agree this is not correct?
"if a trip is open for the next day it will be assigned IN SILO ORDER to a pilot on recovery, and then to a LCR"
A pilot on RECOVERY, so if its just a normal RSV it goes to LCR first........right?
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#5324
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,186
I think CS has not been awarding reserve assignments correctly let me know if you think this is right or not.
Say you are on LCR and starting a 4 day stretch.
They call up on the morning of the first day and give you a SFO turn for the next day.
I don't think this follows the contract. From what I read the CBA says,
if a trip is open for the next day it will be assigned IN SILO ORDER to a pilot on recovery, and then to a LCR and then to short call reserve with lowest credit time. If none are available then go to the next silo.
So in the case above they should only be calling me for that trip if there is no one available in the 1 day silo, or the 2 day or the 3 day.
What it looks like they have been doing, if there are a few 1 day trips open, they are assigning them to all the LCR pilots regardless what silo they are in. so a LCR pilot in the 3 day is getting assigned a 1 day trip when there are plenty of pilots in the 1 and 2 day silo.
do you agree this is not correct?
Say you are on LCR and starting a 4 day stretch.
They call up on the morning of the first day and give you a SFO turn for the next day.
I don't think this follows the contract. From what I read the CBA says,
if a trip is open for the next day it will be assigned IN SILO ORDER to a pilot on recovery, and then to a LCR and then to short call reserve with lowest credit time. If none are available then go to the next silo.
So in the case above they should only be calling me for that trip if there is no one available in the 1 day silo, or the 2 day or the 3 day.
What it looks like they have been doing, if there are a few 1 day trips open, they are assigning them to all the LCR pilots regardless what silo they are in. so a LCR pilot in the 3 day is getting assigned a 1 day trip when there are plenty of pilots in the 1 and 2 day silo.
do you agree this is not correct?
No I believe they are doing this correctly. There are very few pilots ever on recovery. So any trips that are out there will Always go to a LCR guy/girl first before a short call as long as it fits within the time frame regardless of 1day silo people.
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#5325
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,186
So according to the CP newsletter we lost 21 CA from April to May, yet we have only upgraded 6 and just announced 6 more. Anyone else see this being a problem soon?
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#5326
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 171
I don't know the management's staffing targets, but using more typical numbers, 11 pilots per airplane yields 638 pilots, and 12 per - 696. So it looks like we need to lose at least 100 more pilots to be normally staffed.
Now, all the usual caveats apply. We need more Captains than FOs (not true today), etc., but in the big picture we're still overstaffed, and it looks like the management is only rebalancing the CA/FO ratio while letting the attrition "right-size" the overall pilot group.
#5327
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,107
No I believe they are doing this correctly. There are very few pilots ever on recovery. So any trips that are out there will Always go to a LCR guy/girl first before a short call as long as it fits within the time frame regardless of 1day silo people.
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CS is also doing every reserve assignment for pilots and FAs by hand,manually calculating every credit by hand,and manually generating every day's RSV availability chart because the system does not work properly. Any time you add the human element into things you run the risk of not having 100% accuracy every time. But it seems like they are pretty accurate so far.
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#5328
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 40
I am sure the company wants to wait till the very last second to upgrade pilots.
#5329
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,186
I agree with that but I have a feeling the company will wait too long and 85hr floor will come back and 11-12 days off for all CAs. Time will only tell
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#5330
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 273
CS is also doing every reserve assignment for pilots and FAs by hand,manually calculating every credit by hand,and manually generating every day's RSV availability chart because the system does not work properly. Any time you add the human element into things you run the risk of not having 100% accuracy every time. But it seems like they are pretty accurate so far.
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wish I was more familiar with this last week when they ACARS me and said "you fell in line for 0630 turn tomorrow" and I was in the 3 day silo....:-(
CBA- Sec 25-U-3 Assignments Given to Pilots Assigned Reserve Duty
(pg 25-50)
"Reserve Trip Assignment
The number of Calendar Days over which a Trip is scheduled
to operate shall determine which SILO shall supply the
Reserve Pilot to Fly that Trip. For example, a three (3) day
Trip will be assigned to a Reserve Pilot from the three (3)
day SILO"
sec 25-N Awarding of open time
...
4 - Awarding of Assigning of Daily open flying after SAP process
(pg-25-39)
i. Current Calendar Day and Certain Flying for Ensuing
Calendar Day
The assignment of open Flying for the ensuing
Calendar Day shall be among Pilots in category at
each Base in the sequence below and shall occur
between 0800 and 1000. The assignment of open
Flying for the current Calendar Day and Flying for the
ensuing Calendar Day that remains or becomes open
after 1000 central time shall occur at the time the
Flying becomes open and shall be among Pilots in
Category at each Base in the following sequence:
(1) Rescheduled Pilots who can be contacted and
who are eligible for Bid Scheduled Trip
Guarantee and who are on Recovery Days (in
reverse Seniority order)
(2) Reserve Pilots, including fly-through Pilots, and
Build-Up Pilots who are on Reserve duty days (in
SILO order)
(3) Ready Reserve Pilots
(4) Pilots who are on will-fly days (in Seniority
order)
(5) Junior Assignment (in order specified in Section
25.O.)
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