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Old 04-06-2017, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Fpmx772
Every FO that I have flown with that's on rsv is flying less than 20hr/month. I'm gonna say upgrades will prob be more than 2yrs unless we truly start loosing 20-40/month instead of the 10/month we are loosing now.
I agree, it'll be significantly more than 2 years I'm afraid. But not for the reasons of what's happening with the reserves now. It's much more fundamental than that. Look at it this way. According to the April seniority list, a good portion of the summer 2015 hires have not yet upgraded. Among the fall 2015 hires there are only a handful of upgrades. You can bet that all those FOs have their 1000 hours by now, and in this climate the majority will take the first available upgrade. THEY will be at 2 years upgrades.

Now, the max throughput of our training department was said at one point to be 25 upgrades a month. Through 2015 and a good portion of 2016 the company was hiring 30-40 people a month. There have been exceptions, but this is the big picture. So, even if we assume attrition supporting 25 upgrades a month (a big question - so far it had not, maybe 10-15 a month), then simple supply and demand shows that every passing month will set everyone who hadn't yet upgraded back 10-15 people, or the equivalent of half a month worth of upgrades in round numbers. So, for summer/fall 2016 hires add half of 12 months - 6 - to the 24 months the summer 2015 hires are getting, to end up with 30 months min. This will continue until we work through the current hiring freeze.

This also means that prior 121 no longer matters. It only helped in the mythical days of 2014 and 2015 , when the system was limited by lack of FOs who had the 1000 hours. This made bypasses and 3 month upgrades possible. Now that the upgrades are over 2 years, everyone will have the time by the time their seniority numbers allows them to hold an upgrade slot.

The one positive thing is that once movement resumes, I expect the reserve time to drop back to something more reasonable, like 3 months. Reasonable for the current climate, of course.
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Old 04-06-2017, 08:05 AM
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Perhaps someone should ask during the conference call in 4 minutes...


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Old 04-06-2017, 08:23 AM
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Old 04-06-2017, 08:34 AM
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Monthly upgrades of 6-12
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Old 04-06-2017, 08:42 AM
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Old 04-06-2017, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by middies10
Monthly upgrades of 6-12
12 for June then it picks back up to 20-24 per month as the year goes on. Back to what it was before we stopped.
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Old 04-06-2017, 09:07 AM
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12 for June then it picks back up to 20-24 per month as the year goes on. Back to what it was before we stopped.
Not sure what call you were listening to. I heard 6 for June and then after that 6-12 depending on needs. Straight from Adam.
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Old 04-06-2017, 09:27 AM
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Conference call highlights:

Upgrades will be six captains in June, 6-12 per class per month after that. New hire class of six in June, six in July.


New Crew lounge in T3 at LAX in June.
New or returning stations: IND, CID, OMA FAT, GFK, GJT
BG: “I don’t think MSP is going to grow at all” - no new flying/pairings into MSP.
Embargo on Non-rev travel during the LAX gate swap next month. May be buddy passes only(?)
“It’s going to be very hectic out in LAX.”

On IOCC:

Rainmaker will be “the light at the end of the tunnel.”
IOCC “Is unsatisfactory and I agree with that wholeheartedly… There is light at the end of the tunnel and we will get those items fixed.”
“Inaccuracy of capturing leg-by-leg credit” should be fixed.
Apologized for the payroll screw-up.
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Old 04-06-2017, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by middies10
Not sure what call you were listening to. I heard 6 for June and then after that 6-12 depending on needs. Straight from Adam.
Staffing meeting begs to differ. Wait and see...then let me know what happens.
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Old 04-06-2017, 12:13 PM
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