Compass Updates - Saga Continues
03-18-2017, 09:43 AM
#4431
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 128
You "simply don't understand why the negativity exists on here?". Has your head been in the sand? We're losing airplanes and uncertain of the reason why. All upgrades have stopped along with hiring. We have a new scheduling system with no transparency equating to our contract being abused on a daily basis. We have a new opentime system that doesn't even work when they say it does, having an effect on our quality of life. We have hundreds, if not all, of the pilot group being paid incorrectly. We have a union that will soon be rudderless as our leaders are leaving for greener pastures. We have a pile of grievances so high because mgmt won't show up to the meetings (according to our union fwiw). Is that enough or am I way out of base on just how smooth it's going here?
There are definitely positives as well. I'm happy here. But the negatives affect us all. No airlines are perfect but CP had such a long run of being the place to be that these hiccups are hard to look past right now. I'm happy with the CP office communication now and I really do feel that they're doing what they can to fix the problems. Bring the problems to JS's attention, he'll look into them and fix it if he can.
There are definitely positives as well. I'm happy here. But the negatives affect us all. No airlines are perfect but CP had such a long run of being the place to be that these hiccups are hard to look past right now. I'm happy with the CP office communication now and I really do feel that they're doing what they can to fix the problems. Bring the problems to JS's attention, he'll look into them and fix it if he can.
I believe the cp's feel the same way, but are put in a sh!tty position. I appreciate their attempt at communication as it is our only view into the operation.
I also feel that we can negatively change their view if we resort to personal attacks on here. Doubt it will give us the results we want.
Any of you guys read Dale Carnegie?
03-18-2017, 10:34 AM
#4432
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: On the right hand side
Posts: 665
Agreed. Threats are not necessary, professional, or welcome.
There are positives for sure and the CPO is between a rock and a hard place. That has got to be a tough job. But if we keep accepting erosion in conditions, what is our deal breaker going to be, when will we say enough is enough?
There are positives for sure and the CPO is between a rock and a hard place. That has got to be a tough job. But if we keep accepting erosion in conditions, what is our deal breaker going to be, when will we say enough is enough?
03-18-2017, 10:36 AM
#4433
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 377
You "simply don't understand why the negativity exists on here?". Has your head been in the sand? We're losing airplanes and uncertain of the reason why. All upgrades have stopped along with hiring. We have a new scheduling system with no transparency equating to our contract being abused on a daily basis. We have a new opentime system that doesn't even work when they say it does, having an effect on our quality of life. We have hundreds, if not all, of the pilot group being paid incorrectly. We have a union that will soon be rudderless as our leaders are leaving for greener pastures. We have a pile of grievances so high because mgmt won't show up to the meetings (according to our union fwiw). Is that enough or am I way out of base on just how smooth it's going here?
There are definitely positives as well. I'm happy here. But the negatives affect us all. No airlines are perfect but CP had such a long run of being the place to be that these hiccups are hard to look past right now. I'm happy with the CP office communication now and I really do feel that they're doing what they can to fix the problems. Bring the problems to JS's attention, he'll look into them and fix it if he can.
There are definitely positives as well. I'm happy here. But the negatives affect us all. No airlines are perfect but CP had such a long run of being the place to be that these hiccups are hard to look past right now. I'm happy with the CP office communication now and I really do feel that they're doing what they can to fix the problems. Bring the problems to JS's attention, he'll look into them and fix it if he can.
It's evident the CP's already know who you are since they've referenced you in company comms. So it amazes me you continue to come on here and speak.
you don't have to spell out the reasons why this place has its issues right now, but are you naive to think this isn't occurring elsewhere? I'll tell you a great piece of advice someone taught me a very long time ago. If you don't like it, leave...there are plenty of opportunities outside of this place to go park yourself before a major (Allegiant, Spirit, or Frontier). With that said do you think a pilot at say Skywest would get on here and make threats to there supervisor? I just don't know why some of you guys get a giant woody by coming on here and complaining about how bad your life is...when in reality, your employed, you have health insurance, and this job is pretty darn easy.
03-18-2017, 11:25 AM
#4434
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 31
Congrats, you've finally had a post on APC where you actually said something positive...albeit most of it was negative...
It's evident the CP's already know who you are since they've referenced you in company comms. So it amazes me you continue to come on here and speak.
you don't have to spell out the reasons why this place has its issues right now, but are you naive to think this isn't occurring elsewhere? I'll tell you a great piece of advice someone taught me a very long time ago. If you don't like it, leave...there are plenty of opportunities outside of this place to go park yourself before a major (Allegiant, Spirit, or Frontier). With that said do you think a pilot at say Skywest would get on here and make threats to there supervisor? I just don't know why some of you guys get a giant woody by coming on here and complaining about how bad your life is...when in reality, your employed, you have health insurance, and this job is pretty darn easy.
It's evident the CP's already know who you are since they've referenced you in company comms. So it amazes me you continue to come on here and speak.
you don't have to spell out the reasons why this place has its issues right now, but are you naive to think this isn't occurring elsewhere? I'll tell you a great piece of advice someone taught me a very long time ago. If you don't like it, leave...there are plenty of opportunities outside of this place to go park yourself before a major (Allegiant, Spirit, or Frontier). With that said do you think a pilot at say Skywest would get on here and make threats to there supervisor? I just don't know why some of you guys get a giant woody by coming on here and complaining about how bad your life is...when in reality, your employed, you have health insurance, and this job is pretty darn easy.
Attacks on our fellow pilots, LCAs, CPs is toxic, and has the ability to derail this whole organization. I think we all agree this is a great place to vent some frustrations but when it becomes personal we have crossed a line.
I have not met one person at this company that wants ill will towards anyone else and I believe this includes our management team. There are 1000 of us and maybe 10 of them. I would say we as a group have a lot more control on the working environment and the success of this place then anyone.
If indeed we lost aircraft due to performance we must look at ourselves as well as others as we are the operational leaders on every flight. I hope we continue to voice problems when they arise but in the right venues and with possible solutions. Like it or not we are all tied to the success of this place, rooting against it doesn't serve anyone here any good.
03-18-2017, 11:34 AM
#4435
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,535
Congrats, you've finally had a post on APC where you actually said something positive...albeit most of it was negative...
It's evident the CP's already know who you are since they've referenced you in company comms. So it amazes me you continue to come on here and speak.
you don't have to spell out the reasons why this place has its issues right now, but are you naive to think this isn't occurring elsewhere? I'll tell you a great piece of advice someone taught me a very long time ago. If you don't like it, leave...there are plenty of opportunities outside of this place to go park yourself before a major (Allegiant, Spirit, or Frontier). With that said do you think a pilot at say Skywest would get on here and make threats to there supervisor? I just don't know why some of you guys get a giant woody by coming on here and complaining about how bad your life is...when in reality, your employed, you have health insurance, and this job is pretty darn easy.
It's evident the CP's already know who you are since they've referenced you in company comms. So it amazes me you continue to come on here and speak.
you don't have to spell out the reasons why this place has its issues right now, but are you naive to think this isn't occurring elsewhere? I'll tell you a great piece of advice someone taught me a very long time ago. If you don't like it, leave...there are plenty of opportunities outside of this place to go park yourself before a major (Allegiant, Spirit, or Frontier). With that said do you think a pilot at say Skywest would get on here and make threats to there supervisor? I just don't know why some of you guys get a giant woody by coming on here and complaining about how bad your life is...when in reality, your employed, you have health insurance, and this job is pretty darn easy.
03-18-2017, 11:49 AM
#4436
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,097
Congrats, you've finally had a post on APC where you actually said something positive...albeit most of it was negative...
It's evident the CP's already know who you are since they've referenced you in company comms. So it amazes me you continue to come on here and speak.
you don't have to spell out the reasons why this place has its issues right now, but are you naive to think this isn't occurring elsewhere? I'll tell you a great piece of advice someone taught me a very long time ago. If you don't like it, leave...there are plenty of opportunities outside of this place to go park yourself before a major (Allegiant, Spirit, or Frontier). With that said do you think a pilot at say Skywest would get on here and make threats to there supervisor? I just don't know why some of you guys get a giant woody by coming on here and complaining about how bad your life is...when in reality, your employed, you have health insurance, and this job is pretty darn easy.
It's evident the CP's already know who you are since they've referenced you in company comms. So it amazes me you continue to come on here and speak.
you don't have to spell out the reasons why this place has its issues right now, but are you naive to think this isn't occurring elsewhere? I'll tell you a great piece of advice someone taught me a very long time ago. If you don't like it, leave...there are plenty of opportunities outside of this place to go park yourself before a major (Allegiant, Spirit, or Frontier). With that said do you think a pilot at say Skywest would get on here and make threats to there supervisor? I just don't know why some of you guys get a giant woody by coming on here and complaining about how bad your life is...when in reality, your employed, you have health insurance, and this job is pretty darn easy.
I'll respond as dignified as I can here. While you think we should come on here and see through rose colored glasses, I disagree. I think I know plenty about this industry and I'm not going to paint a picture of what it's not. These forums are a place to vent. I go on my trips, do my job well and head home. I've even picked up critical pay and even done a few favors for Sked. I certainly don't complain about how bad my life is, so not sure who you're referring to there. My job certainly isn't my life. Two completely different scopes. I've also never threatened anybody in the company, so feel to explain that as well. If the CP's know who I am, so be it. I welcome the conversation if it arises. Only positives can come of it.
The old "if you don't like it...leave" comment. Hoping you can see the big picture of the changes that can happen here. If not, carry on.
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03-18-2017, 12:52 PM
#4437
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 283
Management spotted... hey, how about fixing my paycheck and some assurance that it'll be right the first time next month?
TillerEnvy, I think your posts are fine. Keep on keeping on. I would ask that we keep it somewhat professional with regards to threatening chiefs, LCA, pilots with instagrams, etc as that's not cool, but I've never seen you engage in that.
TillerEnvy, I think your posts are fine. Keep on keeping on. I would ask that we keep it somewhat professional with regards to threatening chiefs, LCA, pilots with instagrams, etc as that's not cool, but I've never seen you engage in that.
03-19-2017, 03:05 PM
#4440
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Position: Bent Over
Posts: 225
Management spotted... hey, how about fixing my paycheck and some assurance that it'll be right the first time next month?
TillerEnvy, I think your posts are fine. Keep on keeping on. I would ask that we keep it somewhat professional with regards to threatening chiefs, LCA, pilots with instagrams, etc as that's not cool, but I've never seen you engage in that.
TillerEnvy, I think your posts are fine. Keep on keeping on. I would ask that we keep it somewhat professional with regards to threatening chiefs, LCA, pilots with instagrams, etc as that's not cool, but I've never seen you engage in that.
If someone was threatening anyone, I agree that is not called for and the mods ought to deal with that accordingly.
But to say we shouldn't discuss our issues, management or otherwise on here is just as absurd. That's the whole point of this silly forum. Exchange communication about the current state of things. A year ago the conversation here was drastically different as was our working environment. A year has brought a lot of change and thus the conversation has changed. To simply say we shouldn't discuss these things is exactly how we get to where we are. Complacent pilots willing to shut up and be brow-beaten until the next assault on the contract happens.
I agree with 100% of what TillerEnvy says. Is this a miserable place to work? No. Do I enjoy coming to work? Yes. Are the crews here great? For the most part yes. Do I have fun and do the best job I can? Yes.
But the reality is IOCC has dramatically changed our quality of life and violates our contract minute by minute. Not being paid properly, and getting no response to emails (likely because they have literally thousands of emails to go through) is not great. Did the CPO or anyone at CPZ make the choice to switch? Of course not. I'm sure they are just as unhappy as we are about the whole thing. But the reality is, they are mgt and it's their job to communicate with us, and work tirelessly to fix the problems to keep them from occurring. I just think now is a time for professionalism and action. Threatening people is counter productive as is openly engaging with someone who has called you out on here personally, not once but twice (just to be sure we didn't think he was talking about a fish boat captain).
Anyway, I hope these problems can get resolved and we can go back to complaining that upgrade has extended out to a year and a half. Those were the good old days.
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