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Old 01-24-2017, 07:11 PM
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Anyone able to see open time trips on IOCC? I followed the guide and put LAX under H/B and 0:01 next to CRD and left the other box blank. Just keeps telling me to enter individual filter criteria...Even selected dates 01/31 to 02/28. Do I gotta type anything where it says Activity Periods or checkmark the box to the left of that?
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Old 01-24-2017, 07:39 PM
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None of us know what's in the CPA. We don't know who takes the hit for it.
easy way to find out, ask during the next company conference call
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Old 01-24-2017, 08:01 PM
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Is this pairing legal?

On 1/31 I have a 0515 show time with duty ending 0753. This ends a 3 day trip. The Feb award placed another 3 day starting the same day with a 1810 show time and duty ending 2225. Both are 1 leg and all pacific time.

Max FDP starting 0500-0559 is 12 hours so I'd time out at 1715. Or since there is 10h17m between the two in base is that considered rest making it legal?

I think getting 8 hours of sleep from 9am after getting 8 hours of sleep all night is gonna be impossible not to mention being a commuter so I'd need a hotel too.
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Old 01-24-2017, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by schlittykess
Is this pairing legal?

On 1/31 I have a 0515 show time with duty ending 0753. This ends a 3 day trip. The Feb award placed another 3 day starting the same day with a 1810 show time and duty ending 2225. Both are 1 leg and all pacific time.

Max FDP starting 0500-0559 is 12 hours so I'd time out at 1715. Or since there is 10h17m between the two in base is that considered rest making it legal?

I think getting 8 hours of sleep from 9am after getting 8 hours of sleep all night is gonna be impossible not to mention being a commuter so I'd need a hotel too.
I think this has been happening to several people. if you read back a few pages some people have talked about it happening to them. from what I understand it is legal because you have ten hours rest in between. Don't take my word for it, I'm by no means a 117 expert.
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Old 01-24-2017, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by schlittykess
Is this pairing legal?



On 1/31 I have a 0515 show time with duty ending 0753. This ends a 3 day trip. The Feb award placed another 3 day starting the same day with a 1810 show time and duty ending 2225. Both are 1 leg and all pacific time.



Max FDP starting 0500-0559 is 12 hours so I'd time out at 1715. Or since there is 10h17m between the two in base is that considered rest making it legal?



I think getting 8 hours of sleep from 9am after getting 8 hours of sleep all night is gonna be impossible not to mention being a commuter so I'd need a hotel too.


Yeah it sucks but I'm pretty sure it's legal you need 10 hours after each day with the opportunity to get 8 hours of sleep I believe. if it's 6 days in a row you need 30 hours to be good again for another 6 days. Just think of when you have like an 11 hour layover or you've had delays all day and it cuts into your layover time if it's 10 you're fine if it's less than 10 they'll either pull you off the leg in the morning or delay the fight a little so you have 10.
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Old 01-24-2017, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by schlittykess
Is this pairing legal?

On 1/31 I have a 0515 show time with duty ending 0753. This ends a 3 day trip. The Feb award placed another 3 day starting the same day with a 1810 show time and duty ending 2225. Both are 1 leg and all pacific time.

Max FDP starting 0500-0559 is 12 hours so I'd time out at 1715. Or since there is 10h17m between the two in base is that considered rest making it legal?

I think getting 8 hours of sleep from 9am after getting 8 hours of sleep all night is gonna be impossible not to mention being a commuter so I'd need a hotel too.
Legal? Yes, but I'm calling in fatigued if they ever assign me this dog****. Just be smart and safe when making decision.
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Old 01-24-2017, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by schlittykess
Is this pairing legal?



On 1/31 I have a 0515 show time with duty ending 0753. This ends a 3 day trip. The Feb award placed another 3 day starting the same day with a 1810 show time and duty ending 2225. Both are 1 leg and all pacific time.



Max FDP starting 0500-0559 is 12 hours so I'd time out at 1715. Or since there is 10h17m between the two in base is that considered rest making it legal?



I think getting 8 hours of sleep from 9am after getting 8 hours of sleep all night is gonna be impossible not to mention being a commuter so I'd need a hotel too.


If you are tired, please fatigue it. You don't owe anything to the company. It's technically "legal", on their end, but we are not robots and can't just shut off when they want us to. Luckily under part 117 it's a LEGAL obligation for YOU to call in fatigue if you have not slept.


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Old 01-24-2017, 08:59 PM
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Old 01-24-2017, 09:23 PM
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Does anyone know how to make a request to swap reserve days with yourself in IOCC? Couldn't seem to figure it. #makecommutinggreatagain.
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Old 01-24-2017, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by schlittykess
Is this pairing legal?

On 1/31 I have a 0515 show time with duty ending 0753. This ends a 3 day trip. The Feb award placed another 3 day starting the same day with a 1810 show time and duty ending 2225. Both are 1 leg and all pacific time.

Max FDP starting 0500-0559 is 12 hours so I'd time out at 1715. Or since there is 10h17m between the two in base is that considered rest making it legal?

I think getting 8 hours of sleep from 9am after getting 8 hours of sleep all night is gonna be impossible not to mention being a commuter so I'd need a hotel too.
My experience last month when this happened to me. I emailed CMP.Chief Pilots and Crew Planning. Explained that even with the 10.5 hours of rest given during the day, there was no way id be able to sleep and be well rested for the evening report. I mentioned that I could see this arise into a potential fatigue call due to the lack of sleep opportunity in the middle of the day. They accommodated by removing me off the overnight. Therefore giving me 24+ hours at home, and just worrying about the one leg that next night to start the next trip. However If they don't adjust your schedule after you express your concerns, i would not hesitate to call out fatigued if you feel you aren't fit for duty that night.
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