Originally Posted by VIRotate

If this was the case, especially if it came down to you dequaling, I would send an email to BW or someone in the training department because that is absolutely incorrect and it’s scary that EXAMINERS don’t know that...

As for dialing in the FAF when cleared for the visual, I do it. I just don’t press FLCH to get there. FPA it and use the vertical profile or even GS to set myself up for it. Works great.

Originally Posted by FlytheSky

I don't know if I would have dequaled about it, but he was very heavily debriefing it despite my (and my FO) protesting that it's not the way it works (and making us repeat the maneuver because we hadn't done it satisfactorily). But I'm smart enough to know when to pick my battles so I went along with his way and he was much happier. I'll play "make believe" in the sim once a year if that's what it takes (although I'd much rather spend sim time doing things that are more accurate to the real world and emergency scenarios that are really useful when flying the sim).

And you're 100% right on dialing in a lower altitude. It's just how much guys will dive to get down there right away rather than thinking about it. I've had to also explain to guys going into LAX that they might not need to use the boards and FLCH to come slamming down to 1900' when they're 20 miles out since that might take you outside the Bravo airspace (I got a bit of a thousand yard stare from my FO when I mentioned that one as he was doing it). Obviously there were no terrain issues, but I also know firsthand just how much traffic is outside the LAX Bravo airspace firsthand and didn't feel like getting multiple RAs off the GA airplanes and helicopters down there.

The more I fly the plane, the more I appreciate FPA mode. That is all.

Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger

You guys dont hand fly with a cup of coffee in your hand?

Originally Posted by Beechnutz

I did the other day. Guess what happens in Vegas!

That wasn’t you was it?

Originally Posted by FlytheSky

I don't know if I would have dequaled about it, but he was very heavily debriefing it despite my (and my FO) protesting that it's not the way it works (and making us repeat the maneuver because we hadn't done it satisfactorily). But I'm smart enough to know when to pick my battles so I went along with his way and he was much happier. I'll play "make believe" in the sim once a year if that's what it takes (although I'd much rather spend sim time doing things that are more accurate to the real world and emergency scenarios that are really useful when flying the sim).

And you're 100% right on dialing in a lower altitude. It's just how much guys will dive to get down there right away rather than thinking about it. I've had to also explain to guys going into LAX that they might not need to use the boards and FLCH to come slamming down to 1900' when they're 20 miles out since that might take you outside the Bravo airspace (I got a bit of a thousand yard stare from my FO when I mentioned that one as he was doing it). Obviously there were no terrain issues, but I also know firsthand just how much traffic is outside the LAX Bravo airspace firsthand and didn't feel like getting multiple RAs off the GA airplanes and helicopters down there.

The more I fly the plane, the more I appreciate FPA mode. That is all.

Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger

You guys dont hand fly with a cup of coffee in your hand?

Originally Posted by Crimson

This is why I like our SLIP guys, people who actually have been out there. It is funny how many things training does that aren’t practical on the line. (Example being at Vap for a non precision at the FAF)