Compass Updates - Saga Continues
05-04-2018, 06:04 PM
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05-04-2018, 07:48 PM
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is there something broken with me that i'm just not that bothered or concerned at all? TSA's performance numbers for AA were a totally different story than what we have going on, and TSA is the most expensive Hulas owned airline. I just don't see our 175s going to Envoy, sorry. If they do, this place will survive just fine. And yeah I have heard the rumors too about United coming.
05-04-2018, 09:10 PM
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is there something broken with me that i'm just not that bothered or concerned at all? TSA's performance numbers for AA were a totally different story than what we have going on, and TSA is the most expensive Hulas owned airline. I just don't see our 175s going to Envoy, sorry. If they do, this place will survive just fine. And yeah I have heard the rumors too about United coming.
I've been saying for several years that AA and Delta probably won't renew the CPA for Compass. AA used Compass to whipsaw Envoy into taking a concessionary contract and it worked. They got what they wanted from them and why would they keep the AA birds with Compass after the CPA runs out? Because Compass has good performance? Whatever... They can get good performance with Envoy too. It isn't rocket science running a regional especially a wholly owned that has the resources of AA.
Why would Delta renew the CPA? They're consolidating and Compass performance is awful. Look at how poor the maintenance planning is. How many times have you had a MEL drop dead during a turn? A week to fix a lateral adjustment on a seat and you wait till we're on a SFO quick turn to fix it? Wtf. How many times have you had a plane still at the hangar when you need it for the first flight and they tow it over late? It's a joke.
Look at what happened to ExpressJet. I know Skywest is evil and probably wanted all the flying to change to OO but still you can see the writing on the wall. I think Compass is safe till at least mid 2019 for the Delta flying because I don't think they could absorb the Compass flying along with dealing with the EV flying. My prediction is that the Compass birds go to either Endeavor or Republic or both and the flying will be split between OO and 9E.
I hope I'm wrong but I've been predicting this for a long time. I only wish good things for Compass.
05-04-2018, 09:23 PM
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I'll have what you're smoking.
I've been saying for several years that AA and Delta probably won't renew the CPA for Compass. AA used Compass to whipsaw Envoy into taking a concessionary contract and it worked. They got what they wanted from them and why would they keep the AA birds with Compass after the CPA runs out? Because Compass has good performance? Whatever... They can get good performance with Envoy too. It isn't rocket science running a regional especially a wholly owned that has the resources of AA.
Why would Delta renew the CPA? They're consolidating and Compass performance is awful. Look at how poor the maintenance planning is. How many times have you had a MEL drop dead during a turn? A week to fix a lateral adjustment on a seat and you wait till we're on a SFO quick turn to fix it? Wtf. How many times have you had a plane still at the hangar when you need it for the first flight and they tow it over late? It's a joke.
Look at what happened to ExpressJet. I know Skywest is evil and probably wanted all the flying to change to OO but still you can see the writing on the wall. I think Compass is safe till at least mid 2019 for the Delta flying because I don't think they could absorb the Compass flying along with dealing with the EV flying. My prediction is that the Compass birds go to either Endeavor or Republic or both and the flying will be split between OO and 9E.
I hope I'm wrong but I've been predicting this for a long time. I only wish good things for Compass.
I've been saying for several years that AA and Delta probably won't renew the CPA for Compass. AA used Compass to whipsaw Envoy into taking a concessionary contract and it worked. They got what they wanted from them and why would they keep the AA birds with Compass after the CPA runs out? Because Compass has good performance? Whatever... They can get good performance with Envoy too. It isn't rocket science running a regional especially a wholly owned that has the resources of AA.
Why would Delta renew the CPA? They're consolidating and Compass performance is awful. Look at how poor the maintenance planning is. How many times have you had a MEL drop dead during a turn? A week to fix a lateral adjustment on a seat and you wait till we're on a SFO quick turn to fix it? Wtf. How many times have you had a plane still at the hangar when you need it for the first flight and they tow it over late? It's a joke.
Look at what happened to ExpressJet. I know Skywest is evil and probably wanted all the flying to change to OO but still you can see the writing on the wall. I think Compass is safe till at least mid 2019 for the Delta flying because I don't think they could absorb the Compass flying along with dealing with the EV flying. My prediction is that the Compass birds go to either Endeavor or Republic or both and the flying will be split between OO and 9E.
I hope I'm wrong but I've been predicting this for a long time. I only wish good things for Compass.
05-04-2018, 10:18 PM
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Well Wikipedia says TSH has 50 E175-E2 orders and 59 MRJ orders. So we’re definitely safe 
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To comment on the United thing someone mentioned earlier. Was talking to a chief last month and he said he “honestly doesn’t have any news” on gaining or losing flying, but said “management is trying for some United stuff in 2019”
Too bad Mesa will undercut us anyway
bulletproof planTo comment on the United thing someone mentioned earlier. Was talking to a chief last month and he said he “honestly doesn’t have any news” on gaining or losing flying, but said “management is trying for some United stuff in 2019”
Too bad Mesa will undercut us anyway
05-05-2018, 12:10 AM
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Well Wikipedia says TSH has 50 E175-E2 orders and 59 MRJ orders. So we’re definitely safe bulletproof plan
To comment on the United thing someone mentioned earlier. Was talking to a chief last month and he said he “honestly doesn’t have any news” on gaining or losing flying, but said “management is trying for some United stuff in 2019”
Too bad Mesa will undercut us anyway
bulletproof planTo comment on the United thing someone mentioned earlier. Was talking to a chief last month and he said he “honestly doesn’t have any news” on gaining or losing flying, but said “management is trying for some United stuff in 2019”
Too bad Mesa will undercut us anyway
05-05-2018, 01:17 AM
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Hey team, been away for a bit. Anything good? Was there a company call recently? Anything new happening in the industry?
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05-05-2018, 04:54 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't both TSA and XJT flying E145 for American? Everybody's trying to dump the 50 seaters.
05-05-2018, 04:56 AM
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05-05-2018, 04:56 AM
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AA scope divides aircraft into small RJ and large RJ. Small RJ = 30-65 seats and large RJ = 66-76. The Expressjet 700s are configured with 70 seats and count as a large RJ.
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