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04-06-2018, 09:11 AM
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I have seen a bunch of people over controlling this plane. They seem fine in the climb out, but click that AP off for landing and they start moving the rams horn all over the place.
Airplane banks 1degree or less and they throw in a huge control motion then counteract it.. then talk about thermals or wake turbulence.
I try and make a point of only moving it as much as necessary to demonstrate that to them.
I’ve only mentioned it to a couple of supreme overcomtrollers though.”did you notice how the AP was hardly moving the controls and the plane was staying on our desired course? You can do the same thing and it’s very smooth”
Airplane banks 1degree or less and they throw in a huge control motion then counteract it.. then talk about thermals or wake turbulence.
I try and make a point of only moving it as much as necessary to demonstrate that to them.
I’ve only mentioned it to a couple of supreme overcomtrollers though.”did you notice how the AP was hardly moving the controls and the plane was staying on our desired course? You can do the same thing and it’s very smooth”
04-06-2018, 09:24 AM
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Issue they don’t use any rudder
Many i notices don’t use rudder input and just the yoke control. I
04-06-2018, 10:07 AM
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Off topic, seems like maybe 25% of the people I fly with are doing this:
In the landing flare, passing “twenty” they suddenly start slamming the yoke forward and backward fast and maybe 6” of motion. So fast and such large control movements that they cancel eachother out and also you can feel the whole plane shaking from the motion of the elevator.
This seems strange to me. Like in calm wind I’d expect the yoke barely move, and if it did, in one smooth continuous motion.
Am I missing some secret Embraer technique (really) or is this just people over controlling it?
In the landing flare, passing “twenty” they suddenly start slamming the yoke forward and backward fast and maybe 6” of motion. So fast and such large control movements that they cancel eachother out and also you can feel the whole plane shaking from the motion of the elevator.
This seems strange to me. Like in calm wind I’d expect the yoke barely move, and if it did, in one smooth continuous motion.
Am I missing some secret Embraer technique (really) or is this just people over controlling it?
I think it's a carry-over from some guys who would do that in a 172 or Cherokee coming in to land. I've seen people do that in my GA days and even Rod Machado has an article about it here.
I've never seen anyone do it to the point where I can feel the airplane shaking, but I have seen people move the yoke in unusual ways. If they land smoothly, on centerline and in the touchdown zone, though, who am I to judge their technique especially if that's what they're comfortable with? (oh wait, we're ALL chief pilots here) And obviously when it's gusty, you'll be moving the yoke a whole lot more (I know I do). And the yoke is far less pitch sensitive on the Delta birds than the American birds in my experience. I'd imagine it'd more likely cause the airplane to shake if you're flying on an American trip with someone that hasn't flown American in a while.
04-06-2018, 12:29 PM
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My philosophy: scare 'em with the approach, wow them with the landing.
04-06-2018, 12:44 PM
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It's all part of the underqualified regional pilot experience Sully was talking about
04-06-2018, 01:19 PM
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He’s wasn’t wrong when he said that. He’s even more correct today. There’s a few out there that I’ll gladly take the next flight, if I see working up front. Shame we can’t do anything about it in this train till you pass world. Makes you really think when you send your family on NRSA.
04-06-2018, 04:13 PM
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He’s wasn’t wrong when he said that. He’s even more correct today. There’s a few out there that I’ll gladly take the next flight, if I see working up front. Shame we can’t do anything about it in this train till you pass world. Makes you really think when you send your family on NRSA.
04-06-2018, 05:16 PM
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Was it me or did anyone else hear this from MW “we haven’t had any major delays due to being short on crews” “we are short 40fos and any major hiccup and we have crew delays”. Did I miss something here? I didn’t have my coffee yet when I was listening to the call so I wasn’t all there yet
04-06-2018, 05:18 PM
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04-06-2018, 05:19 PM
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