BobbyLeeSwagger

ThePlaneSaidSo

Exactly!!


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poutine

Hope you get the job man! And make APC official. lol

Baradium

Source? And before you get too carried away, at my longevity there are plenty of Compass pilots that are making more than me.

Pay at the regional level has increased nicely recently, there are a number of connection carriers paying well more than a security guard stands to make even at first year pay. Although I will say that is only due to hiring concerns and should never have been to be as low as it got. Connection carriers fighting over who could be cheapest didn't help.

Delta profit sharing was a result of bankruptcy when a significant portions of mainline wage were taken away and the company was bleeding significant money. The pilots were able to get it included while so much else was taken away so at least some would come back if the company became profitable again. This was from well before my time.


I think you're overestimating the cost of labor (above you said most of the profits are due to lower RJ pilot wages alone), although it does make for some nice talking points.

I think scope was the biggest oversight any airline's union has made. Of course even today there are two that do not have any scope restrictions (Alaska and Spirit). Of course, there are still plenty of pilots at the regional level hoping above hope that somehow more scope will be relaxed so they can get even larger aircraft. I'm personally hoping that scope will start to be taken back.


Realistically though, every one of us (myself included) who went to one of these regionals for the ridiculously low pay supported the same system that we protested against. As the shortage has finally shown, if pilots don't come to the airline the wages really do start climbing. Of course, a side effect of this is that the wages are actually starting to approach the mainline negotiated rates for the aircraft (where they exist). From a rough observation, Endeavor's pay isn't any further from mainline's than it is from the Compass rates. That's not meant as a dig at Compass, I hope the increases elsewhere cause them for you as well.


But back to the topic at hand, I do not think there is any possible way that half of the Delta profits are a result of the lower pilot wages at regionals. The numbers just don't make sense. Payroll isn't a large enough expense for that to be plausible and while number of flights are well above what most of us would like to see (I've always felt I'd just rather have more mainline jobs), the ASMs don't scale directly to that.


I like to think that in the next 10 years anyone who has a reasonable record (IE they aren't reckless) and a good attitude will have an opportunity to go to a major. The numbers of pilots needed versus the numbers at the regionals tend to bear that out, in my mind at least. I still believe that the regional landscape is going to go through a major shakeup and will not exist in anything resembling it's current form, if at all, 10 years from now.

Delta is hiring 1000 pilots a year right now, United says they want to hire 800 and American is hiring as well, I know it's hard to get interviews, but just keep in mind that just because someone is at mainline doesn't mean they are long separated from where you are and don't remember what it's like to be stuck at a regional hoping to get out.

There are plenty of us that want to be supportive to everyone who is in that position. Please try not to assume that anyone at mainline who is interested in what happens at the regionals is doing it to try to gloat.

Fr8Thrust

Luckily they were able to blame most of it on DL station personel rendering 10 CZ airplanes OTS last year. From blowing slides to crashing RON AC. In fact the money went the opposite direction, as DL broke their own feed.

Slowhawk

I’ve been junior assigned. The only thing I had in my junior man day was a deadhead. (2:57).

On my rainmaker it shows my total compensation for this junior assigned day is 3:45. (2:30 PADJ and 1:15 PREM.)

Shouldn’t I be receiving a full 4 hours min day pay for this? ...shouldn’t it be 4 hours PADJ and 2:00 PREM equaling 6 hours pay above my normal guarantee? Logic being that I should get 4 hours min day at 50%?

Or is it you don’t get min day for junior assigned days and are only paid what you actually fly in 150%, even if it’s less than min day?

jungle driver

you should get a total of 6 hours pay. good catch make a note in rainmaker and make sure you get it!

NeverFlexTO

Compass is a privately held business under Trans States Holdings owned by a private investor. If we were to get profit sharing it would need to come from him since Trans States is who negotiates our deals with DL. Any profit Compass makes goes to him and not back into the business.

I understand everyone’s frustration regarding profit sharing and trust me, I’ve seen this rigamaroll for over a decade...it’s just business. We are a fee for departure carrier...and TSH negotiates our deals. If DL doesn’t like it they can and will find someone else.

word302

Plenty of contract carriers paying out profit sharing.

Poser765

so? We don't have it. We shouldn't expect it from mainline. If people are butt hurt over it they can let the union know the next time the contract opens up. Honestly there is enough in our book that needs work that profit sharing is pretty far down on my list of priorities.