Compass Updates - Saga Continues
02-15-2018, 11:08 AM
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You guys understand that you don't actually work for them and that it's a union negotiated benefit, right?
And since you both most likely went to Compass after they were already not a wholly owned, I don't even know what you expected. If you want to work on negotiating profit sharing from your holding company, then work on that.
I guess you expect profit sharing from the other carrier you contract with as well? I didn't realize Compass was such a regional powerhouse.
And since you both most likely went to Compass after they were already not a wholly owned, I don't even know what you expected. If you want to work on negotiating profit sharing from your holding company, then work on that.
I guess you expect profit sharing from the other carrier you contract with as well? I didn't realize Compass was such a regional powerhouse.
Who cares if we fly their passengers...We aren't them.
02-15-2018, 11:10 AM
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Sorry, I don't mean to be condescending to compass pilots. I spent more than 10 years at the regional level. But the entitlement attitude from those two did irk me.
02-15-2018, 11:21 AM
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It’s not that people expect the legacies to write checks to their contract employees, it’s the fact that they outsource thousands of their positions and celebrate the returns they make on suppressing over half of their workforce.
So until they hire at 1500hrs, or pay their contractors a fair wage (and stop trying to streamline products), the majority of us will still continue to despise the hand that feeds.
So until they hire at 1500hrs, or pay their contractors a fair wage (and stop trying to streamline products), the majority of us will still continue to despise the hand that feeds.
02-15-2018, 11:23 AM
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Food for thought, Mesa had the highest percentage of their pilots contribute to the ALPA PAC. Why would they feel so strongly unless it is actually as bad as you've been warned?
The MX program over there is deferred is preferred. No preventative measures. Using CRJ engines on the 175. I'm sure there's other sketchy stuff that goes on which we don't hear about. If they're willing to put an engine from another fleet on just to use the plane, what else are they willing to do.
When I was flying Cessnas there were shady operations that would use car alternators instead of FAA TSO parts to save $$$.
Think about how you'll explain any incidents you might have in your mainline interview. It's one thing if you can say "I followed the procedure and the aircraft was properly maintained to the best of my knowledge." Compared to, "I flew for an operation that continually asked me to compromise my integrity flying aircraft with questionable maintenance."
Then there's how the company is managed, how scheduling operates etc etc.
The MX program over there is deferred is preferred. No preventative measures. Using CRJ engines on the 175. I'm sure there's other sketchy stuff that goes on which we don't hear about. If they're willing to put an engine from another fleet on just to use the plane, what else are they willing to do.
When I was flying Cessnas there were shady operations that would use car alternators instead of FAA TSO parts to save $$$.
Think about how you'll explain any incidents you might have in your mainline interview. It's one thing if you can say "I followed the procedure and the aircraft was properly maintained to the best of my knowledge." Compared to, "I flew for an operation that continually asked me to compromise my integrity flying aircraft with questionable maintenance."
Then there's how the company is managed, how scheduling operates etc etc.
02-15-2018, 11:25 AM
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No, I'm just trying to keep up with everything going on because I still care what happens to people at the regional level. Just because I finally got out isn't a reason to try to pull the ladder up behind me. Or would you prefer everyone who leaves the regionals turn indifferent?
02-15-2018, 11:27 AM
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Food for thought, Mesa had the highest percentage of their pilots contribute to the ALPA PAC. Why would they feel so strongly unless it is actually as bad as you've been warned?
The MX program over there is deferred is preferred. No preventative measures. Using CRJ engines on the 175. I'm sure there's other sketchy stuff that goes on which we don't hear about. If they're willing to put an engine from another fleet on just to use the plane, what else are they willing to do.
When I was flying Cessnas there were shady operations that would use car alternators instead of FAA TSO parts to save $$$.
Think about how you'll explain any incidents you might have in your mainline interview. It's one thing if you can say "I followed the procedure and the aircraft was properly maintained to the best of my knowledge." Compared to, "I flew for an operation that continually asked me to compromise my integrity flying aircraft with questionable maintenance."
Then there's how the company is managed, how scheduling operates etc etc.
The MX program over there is deferred is preferred. No preventative measures. Using CRJ engines on the 175. I'm sure there's other sketchy stuff that goes on which we don't hear about. If they're willing to put an engine from another fleet on just to use the plane, what else are they willing to do.
When I was flying Cessnas there were shady operations that would use car alternators instead of FAA TSO parts to save $$$.
Think about how you'll explain any incidents you might have in your mainline interview. It's one thing if you can say "I followed the procedure and the aircraft was properly maintained to the best of my knowledge." Compared to, "I flew for an operation that continually asked me to compromise my integrity flying aircraft with questionable maintenance."
Then there's how the company is managed, how scheduling operates etc etc.
02-15-2018, 11:31 AM
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It’s not that people expect the legacies to write checks to their contract employees, it’s the fact that they outsource thousands of their positions and celebrate the returns they make on suppressing over half of their workforce.
So until they hire at 1500hrs, or pay their contractors a fair wage (and stop trying to streamline products), the majority of us will still continue to despise the hand that feeds.
So until they hire at 1500hrs, or pay their contractors a fair wage (and stop trying to streamline products), the majority of us will still continue to despise the hand that feeds.
If they can afford to pay out the money, they can afford to up the wages of jobs wich should never have been outsourced in the first place.
If you're at mainline and don't want 76 seat jets brought on property you're saying that you don't want better seniority/ furlough cushion.
02-15-2018, 11:44 AM
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^^^This
If they can afford to pay out the money, they can afford to up the wages of jobs wich should never have been outsourced in the first place.
If you're at mainline and don't want 76 seat jets brought on property you're saying that you don't want better seniority/ furlough cushion.
If they can afford to pay out the money, they can afford to up the wages of jobs wich should never have been outsourced in the first place.
If you're at mainline and don't want 76 seat jets brought on property you're saying that you don't want better seniority/ furlough cushion.
Honestly, I have a hard time seeing the regional model surviving going forward. It's a lot more efficient staffing wise to have a single pilot group instead of multiple ones operating the same aircraft over many of the same routes, and larger aircraft don't need to operate as frequently. If there is ever going to be a time to get scope back at the mainline level, this is going to be it. But that also means a major shakeup for pilots at the regional level.
United is actually hiring CFIs direct already. There is a thread about it on the United forum. There are a lot of complaints from the United side about bypassing any regional pilots to play around with this program.
Just because RJ pilots get on at a major doesn't mean they all forget where they came from or had to deal with.
02-15-2018, 11:57 AM
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They are similar... But the thing that got them in trouble and brought that one to light was UA and AA didn't like that they did it.
02-15-2018, 12:03 PM
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Was it because of which type they were on or whose airplane? I know that one carrier got caught putting engines from planes that belonged to one of the mainline carriers on spare airplanes that they used on multiple contracts (that was CRJ to CRJ though).
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