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Old 01-27-2018, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by morerightrudder
I'm glad someone who actually knows how to fly the plane finally put out an FOSA to address the Flaps 4 nonsense. I'll go back to silently judging anyone who calls "Flaps 4" on an approach, until the AOM is finally corrected.
I bet you enjoy dragging the gear with high-power settings when ATC asks for an approach speed below Flap 3 green dot.

If you configure properly, which is to arrive at 1000’-1200’ agl “stable” and no sooner, flap 4 is a tool you’re allowed to use. Someone who knows how to fly a plane, will use all their tools, fly fast, and not configure early!

Since we’re on the topic, there are some situations that you’d want to go from Flap 1 to Flap 3, avoiding Flap 2 altogether, and guess what, that’s perfectly acceptable too.
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Old 01-27-2018, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Fr8Thrust
I bet you enjoy dragging the gear with high-power settings when ATC asks for an approach speed below Flap 3 green dot.

If you configure properly, which is to arrive at 1000’-1200’ agl “stable” and no sooner, flap 4 is a tool you’re allowed to use. Someone who knows how to fly a plane, will use all their tools, fly fast, and not configure early!

Since we’re on the topic, there are some situations that you’d want to go from Flap 1 to Flap 3, avoiding Flap 2 altogether, and guess what, that’s perfectly acceptable too.
I’ve always thought of flaps 4 as a setting to be used if you are asked to fly slower than flaps 3 safely allows and don’t want to drop the gear yet. Another way of saying that, flying with the same slat/flap config as flaps 5 without the airplane yelling at you to drop the gear. But hey, I don’t silently judge and I’m always willing to learn if I’m actually doing something wrong that puts the airplane/pax in danger...which flaps 4 doesn’t.
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Old 01-27-2018, 09:26 AM
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I know J Harb and it's not surprising he made an ill informed rant. I also know Marlon and what Harb doesn't know is that he didn't just fly his line and complain about everything. He did what he needed to get in front of the right people and make a good impression. He went out and got the job and is now enjoying the fruits of his labor. If you want it go get it don't sit around and wait for it to fall in your lap, lest you want to end up like Jason.


Yeah, anybody who knows this toolbag and has spent more than 5 seconds in his presence knows exactly why he’ll never get a call from mainline and subsequently be fired if he ever did make it there. Real piece of work this one......


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Old 01-27-2018, 10:10 AM
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Congratulations. Everybody is a better pilot than everybody else.

As long as you ACTUALLY FOLLOW THE CHECKLIST, I don't care what your technique is.
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Old 01-27-2018, 10:54 AM
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I'll miss flaps 4 on this next AOM revision, but there's hope guys...

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Old 01-27-2018, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by prplmnkydshwshr
Congratulations. Everybody is a better pilot than everybody else.

As long as you ACTUALLY FOLLOW THE CHECKLIST, I don't care what your technique is.
Amen to that, brother! I always tell my FOs "on your leg, it's your leg. Fly the airplane how you want. I'm here if you want advice or things begin to become unsafe." Always show up to work looking for something new to learn. Worked well for me at my last shop and I keep that attitude here, too.
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Old 01-27-2018, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by FlytheSky
Amen to that, brother! I always tell my FOs "on your leg, it's your leg. Fly the airplane how you want. I'm here if you want advice or things begin to become unsafe." Always show up to work looking for something new to learn. Worked well for me at my last shop and I keep that attitude here, too.
Amen Brother!
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Old 01-27-2018, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by FlytheSky
Amen to that, brother! I always tell my FOs "on your leg, it's your leg. Fly the airplane how you want. I'm here if you want advice or things begin to become unsafe." Always show up to work looking for something new to learn. Worked well for me at my last shop and I keep that attitude here, too.
This is what makes you a good captain. The ones who micromanage and want you to fly the plane how they like to fly it, those are captains that display poor leadership and are often insecure with their own abilities and thus force theirs onto someone else.
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Old 01-27-2018, 04:15 PM
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This is what makes you a good captain. The ones who micromanage and want you to fly the plane how they like to fly it, those are captains that display poor leadership and are often insecure with their own abilities and thus force theirs onto someone else.
Sometimes they're just new and flying with a lot of reserve FO's and then get someone experienced and it's hard to remember not to help as much. All I'm saying is give them the benefit of the doubt..
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Old 01-27-2018, 06:03 PM
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Sometimes they're just new and flying with a lot of reserve FO's and then get someone experienced and it's hard to remember not to help as much. All I'm saying is give them the benefit of the doubt..
True. I usually see the newer CAs whom are a little nervous day 1 flying with me just because they don’t my abilities. It’s nice to seem them cool down by day 2 once they see that I know what I’m doing...most of the time!

I do give the new CAs the benefit of the doubt. I’m referring to older ones. You know, the ones nobody likes to fly with.
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