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12-07-2009, 09:42 PM
#21
Da Hudge
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If anyone off the current list is furloughed, then something like 20 76-seaters will get converted to 70 seats the day the first guy hits the streets.
If anyone hired pre 9/11 (around 350 pilots from the bottom) gets furloughed, then all 76 seaters are permanently converted to 70 and a number get parked.
If anyone hired pre 9/11 (around 350 pilots from the bottom) gets furloughed, then all 76 seaters are permanently converted to 70 and a number get parked.
12-08-2009, 06:47 AM
#22
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big regional jets over there for not a lot of money, that's all i'm saying. it costs the company nothing to dangle for the flow through so you'll give them a few years of very cheap labor. Compass is directly replacing the DC-9, arguably more than other regionals out there. I sat next to a Compass pilot commuting about 10 months ago and he's was going on and on about how delta was going to make them park with the rest of the RJ's in msp, kinda like he was above the rest of us. I know a few great guys over there but this guy was a piece of work. There are better $24,000 a year jobs out there. Trying for more than 2/10 this time, i though that was a bit low
As far as replacing DC9 flying, maybe. It can also be argued that Compass is directly responsible for Delta NOT furloughing so far.
12-08-2009, 10:15 AM
#23
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Converting 76 seaters to 70 seaters forces the RJ to be a single class. In the 76 seat configuration, both 1st class and coach class are available allowing DAL to offer a premium product on an RJ. It's something that is very valuable to DAL, and is why DALPA worked this into the No Furlough clause.
12-08-2009, 10:55 AM
#25
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Also, the cost associated with removing seats and reconfiguring the airplanes should give Delta pause before furloughing a few pilots.
12-08-2009, 11:13 AM
#26
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For those who are skeptical about Compass there could be many reasons why someone may wish to go there. I was twice offered a spot there and should maybe have gone but was scared off by the prospect of the big paycut and seniority hit I would have taken.
But I would have been based where I like to be (in the Midwest, probably able to get MSP) and would have overnighted a lot where I currently live (GRR) and that combo made the place very, very attractive.
But for me I decided I couldn't justify the pay hit and the seniority hit at a time when the industry is in pretty rough shape.
But many folks who go to various companies have there own reasons and I can tell you that I have had a very positive experience interviewing with them and riding on Compass airplanes. They seem like a pretty good group of folks there.
But I would have been based where I like to be (in the Midwest, probably able to get MSP) and would have overnighted a lot where I currently live (GRR) and that combo made the place very, very attractive.
But for me I decided I couldn't justify the pay hit and the seniority hit at a time when the industry is in pretty rough shape.
But many folks who go to various companies have there own reasons and I can tell you that I have had a very positive experience interviewing with them and riding on Compass airplanes. They seem like a pretty good group of folks there.
12-08-2009, 02:02 PM
#27
Da Hudge
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Good point, it's a huge revenue deterrent. We all know the money is in the business traveler...no more first class if they go to 70 seats.
Also, the cost associated with removing seats and reconfiguring the airplanes should give Delta pause before furloughing a few pilots.
Also, the cost associated with removing seats and reconfiguring the airplanes should give Delta pause before furloughing a few pilots.
With the cost of typing pilots in the E170 and such with the flowdown, plus pulling seats....furloughees have to be anticipated to be on the street for 2-3 years for it to be cost effective.
That plus DAL wanting to be in a position to snap up growth in a short period of time with the recovering economy is why you havent seen any furloughs.
12-08-2009, 06:37 PM
#28
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big regional jets over there for not a lot of money, that's all i'm saying. it costs the company nothing to dangle for the flow through so you'll give them a few years of very cheap labor. Compass is directly replacing the DC-9, arguably more than other regionals out there. I sat next to a Compass pilot commuting about 10 months ago and he's was going on and on about how delta was going to make them park with the rest of the RJ's in msp, kinda like he was above the rest of us. I know a few great guys over there but this guy was a piece of work. There are better $24,000 a year jobs out there. Trying for more than 2/10 this time, i though that was a bit low
The guy next to him points at a CRJ2 and says "man I hate riding in those planes the seats are so cramped, which plane do you fly?"
Compass FO: Oh I fly the big ones, not those regional jets.
I almost reached over the seat to smack the guy, but he was much bigger then me, and would have kicked my a@@...
99% of the Compass guys I have run into are good folks, but this idiot was just too much... he kept going on and on but I wont keep going with this.
12-08-2009, 06:46 PM
#29
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This guy must be making the rounds... I was on a DHD from DTW to LGA and there was a Compass FO a row ahead of me.
The guy next to him points at a CRJ2 and says "man I hate riding in those planes the seats are so cramped, which plane do you fly?"
Compass FO: Oh I fly the big ones, not those regional jets.
I almost reached over the seat to smack the guy, but he was much bigger then me, and would have kicked my a@@...
99% of the Compass guys I have run into are good folks, but this idiot was just too much... he kept going on and on but I wont keep going with this.
The guy next to him points at a CRJ2 and says "man I hate riding in those planes the seats are so cramped, which plane do you fly?"
Compass FO: Oh I fly the big ones, not those regional jets.
I almost reached over the seat to smack the guy, but he was much bigger then me, and would have kicked my a@@...
99% of the Compass guys I have run into are good folks, but this idiot was just too much... he kept going on and on but I wont keep going with this.
12-08-2009, 07:45 PM
#30
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Ground in ORD told someone to follow the "Embraer 170" and the pilot replied "Roger, we'll follow the wanna be big boy plane", then when ground immediately gave her next set of instructions she was laughing.
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