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Old 02-01-2016, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by aTomatoFlames
FIRST OFFICERS! Please learn how to "PROPERLY" initialize the airplane. Every god damn airplane I've picked up from another crew has had the flight number locked in.

NEVER type in the flight number into L1 on the initialization page, unless the last f#!€ing crew already locked it in.

It's easy! You get into the airplane, first go to the route page and change the flight number (you don't have to wait for the CA to do this, just do it yourself!) THEN INITIALIZE after the L1 line changes automatically.

I didn't apply to this airline to call clearance.
No, in my experience, thats not what makes the ACARS 'latch' to a flight number. Even if you follow your procedure, the ACARS will latch on the third leg flight number. If you're lucky enough to get an airplane all day, and do 4+ legs, you'll find after the third leg it will latch. Now, that said, I've noticed that some planes are getting new software (in-range gate info will send/recieve twice, another bug) and I'm not sure what that new software does to my 3 leg theory. The work around that I have used with success as an FO was... on leg three, after you land, BEFORE you block in, change the RTE page flight# to your next flight# (I always did it after starting the APU). It will not latch to the third leg #. But now you have to do this for every leg from now on. Or just shut down/restart the plane and get another 3 legs of ACARS PDC glory
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Old 02-01-2016, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by aTomatoFlames
FIRST OFFICERS! Please learn how to "PROPERLY" initialize the airplane. Every god damn airplane I've picked up from another crew has had the flight number locked in.

NEVER type in the flight number into L1 on the initialization page, unless the last f#!€ing crew already locked it in.

It's easy! You get into the airplane, first go to the route page and change the flight number (you don't have to wait for the CA to do this, just do it yourself!) THEN INITIALIZE after the L1 line changes automatically.

I didn't apply to this airline to call clearance.
Or you can change it in the transponder page.
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Old 02-01-2016, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by aTomatoFlames
FIRST OFFICERS! Please learn how to "PROPERLY" initialize the airplane. Every god damn airplane I've picked up from another crew has had the flight number locked in.

NEVER type in the flight number into L1 on the initialization page, unless the last f#!€ing crew already locked it in.

It's easy! You get into the airplane, first go to the route page and change the flight number (you don't have to wait for the CA to do this, just do it yourself!) THEN INITIALIZE after the L1 line changes automatically.

I didn't apply to this airline to call clearance.
Wow, there's a simple QRH "Flight ID Frozen." Just pull a single circuit breaker. Make sure the APU isn't running and your good. No need to restart the plane. This isn't a big deal. So you have to call for a clearence.
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Old 02-02-2016, 12:00 AM
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I think people need to focus more on leaving the flight deck in a presentable manner for the next crew, ie, don't leave the garbage bag behind full of your banana peels/tuna pouches open and still attached to the seat.

And calling CD takes all of what, 60 seconds, one minute of probably the 15 mins we all sit there waiting for a CLR/Pax Count doing nothing anyway
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Old 02-02-2016, 04:34 AM
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How about FOs stop deleting the flight number from the RTE page as part of their after landing flow? I reference the flight id on the taxi in to confirm the flight number when we get radio calls and it's annoying when it's unexpectedly empty. One time I called dispatch to confirm they got our in times because I thought our acars took a dump and that's why it was empty. Not a huge deal, but if you're going to do this at least brief it as non-nornal switch movement.
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Old 02-02-2016, 07:18 AM
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Wow, this is what the 121 world has come to now, complaining about having to actually call for a clearance. SMH
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Old 02-02-2016, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by holle8e3
No, in my experience, thats not what makes the ACARS 'latch' to a flight number. Even if you follow your procedure, the ACARS will latch on the third leg flight number. If you're lucky enough to get an airplane all day, and do 4+ legs, you'll find after the third leg it will latch...

This could be true I honestly don't completely understand why it latches, but my IOE captain mentioned that typing it in causes it. Also haven't flown 3+ legs in one airplane, so I have never seen this.



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I think people need to focus more on leaving the flight deck in a presentable manner for the next crew, ie, don't leave the garbage bag behind full of your banana peels/tuna pouches open and still attached to the seat.
This is huge, had to deal with a coffee filled leaky trash bag left in the flight deck yesterday.



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And calling CD takes all of what, 60 seconds, one minute of probably the 15 mins we all sit there waiting for a CLR/Pax Count doing nothing anyway

Man I'm just lazy if I wanted to work I would have gone to...
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Old 02-02-2016, 08:55 AM
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Wow, this is what the 121 world has come to now, complaining about having to actually call for a clearance. SMH
That's kind of a cynical way to add to the conversation. The ACARS software is not right. It needs fixed. Why even have PDCs? What's the purpose? Using your argument of 'it's not so bad to call clearance' then all airlines should not use a digital PDC system. That would be a mess. Have you ever been number 14 on clearance delivery frequency waiting for your turn?

People aren't here complaining about how arduous it is to call for a clearance. Imagine if the FO could send, receive and print every time, most importantly when it ends up seconds within D-0? The FO could then have extra time (even if it's seconds) to help load the flight plan. Be positive, shave off seconds where ever possible, be part of the solution, not the problem. Even regardless of D-0. If you call for push 10 seconds sooner, maybe you won't have to wait for 3 into the alley, one of which is a tow-in. That then saves 6 minutes, which allows the return flight to actually make up some time. And get back to the schedule. And that means the gates are available... Ect ect ect.

Seconds count boys and girls. The sooner we use that mentality, the sooner we can start to win flying again.
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Old 02-02-2016, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by holle8e3
That's kind of a cynical way to add to the conversation. The ACARS software is not right. It needs fixed. Why even have PDCs? What's the purpose? Using your argument of 'it's not so bad to call clearance' then all airlines should not use a digital PDC system. That would be a mess. Have you ever been number 14 on clearance delivery frequency waiting for your turn?

People aren't here complaining about how arduous it is to call for a clearance. Imagine if the FO could send, receive and print every time, most importantly when it ends up seconds within D-0? The FO could then have extra time (even if it's seconds) to help load the flight plan. Be positive, shave off seconds where ever possible, be part of the solution, not the problem. Even regardless of D-0. If you call for push 10 seconds sooner, maybe you won't have to wait for 3 into the alley, one of which is a tow-in. That then saves 6 minutes, which allows the return flight to actually make up some time. And get back to the schedule. And that means the gates are available... Ect ect ect.

Seconds count boys and girls. The sooner we use that mentality, the sooner we can start to win flying again.
Although I somewhat see you point here I don't completely agree with you. There are still other airlines calling for clearance, just like I did at my previous one, and I have never seen or heard of issues. If your a good FO, you will be calling for your clearance right at that 30min mark and even if your number 14 in line, you will still get it with plenty of time to get everything done. We all just get so spoiled with the PDCs, which are nice don't get me wrong, but come on guys....its not the end of the world to actually go above and beyond a few button pushes and now actually write our clearances every once and a while...just saying
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Old 02-02-2016, 12:44 PM
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Oh boy. Some snow in the Midwest. Let's make sure scheduling freaks out over the 25 or so flights we do a day out of MSP.
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