Scaniaflyer29

To call the pending grievance outstanding is offensive to the word outstanding. There is no way we win the grievance, the wording is pretty clear in the contract and 404 was even telling us prior to the vote we would see trips pay like this. I voted to keep the 445 and would take it back if it was ever offered back up to us.

Also you are right when you say the company will always adjust the trip construction to limit cost, so why we opt to take 4hrs instead of 445 for a starting point in constructing trips I do not know.

GreatBigSea

Outstanding as in yet to be paid, done, or dealt with.

404yxl

The union told this to the pilot group when we voted. People thought they would still see a lot of high credit trips with 30 hour layovers. That turned out to be wrong since the company now didn't have to try and avoid the adtg penalty.

There aren't that many trips that would see an increase in pay. The FAI would go to a minimum of 12:00 with 2 legs, but the adtg had the minimum set at 14:15.

You could always create credit with the adtg, but you can't create credit with the 4 hours for a non-working calendar day via partial pickups. Those trips would have to already exist.

As Scaniaflyer said, if you are banking on an arbitrator ruling that "non-working calendar day" doesn't really mean "non-working calendar day", your chances will be slim.

Well, I guess since you ignored all of the examples in my qoute, I can see you really don't care for the truth.

I will post it again just in case you missed all of them . I actually screwed up and said 1 day trips paid 4:15. It was actually 4:45, making the PPW pickups even worse.

The only time the 4 hours of pay for a non-working calendar day would pay more would be if a 4 day had a non-working calendar day and paid more than 15:00 with the min duty and leg by leg credits. (adtg would make it 19:00). However, you can see a 4 day worth 16:00 now, or even 12:00 if it incorporates a FAI type layover. Again, with the adtg, it would have paid 19:00. Same concept with 3 and 5 days that have a non-working calendar day.

Basically, only high credit 4 days with a non-working calendar day would see a gain, and those few trips go senior. The adtg helped everyone, reserves all the way up to even senior pilots. It paid SAN turns 4:45 instead of 4:00, 5:56 with the PPW instead of 5:00, 7:07 with critical pickups instead of 6:00 now.

It paid 2 leg 3-days 14:15 instead of the 12:00 we see now with a non-working calendar day, and 8:00 with a FAI layover.

***We also weren't losing adtg credit when we partially dropped turns off our trips. Our contract has us lose min duty credit when we dropped turns, but a bunch of us were dropping turns to other pilots (who benefited from the adtg credit) and worked short 4, 3, and 2-day trips worth 19:00, 14:15, and 9:30, where now they can pay as little as 10:00, 6:00, and 2:00(2-day SAN layover where you dropped everything but the SAN legs would pay 9:30 under adtg and now will only pay what the 2 flight credits are worth).***

Just food for thought if this pilot group is ever lucky to see a adtg offer in the future.

I really don't understand why people thought non-working calendar day doesn't mean exactly what it says.

Only 10% or so of the group voted and I think a majority voted for the 4 hour non-working day option since it went back to our anger over the company never getting us credit for it back in 2014. I was upset with that too, but after I really looked at the adtg option we got, I actually thought it was a far superior deal. I am surprised the company didn't back out themselves. The credit we could create with the adtg was far superior.

The ALPA lawyers are probably advising that there is no shot at winning and also against wasting the resources fighting it.

phalanxo

Didn't see that part, sincere apologies Thanks for clearing that up.

And as for the "non working calendar day"... sort of garbage since you're flying the first two hours of that trip on your so called non working day. That "anything before 2am counts as the previous day" bit is ridiculous. At 12:01 you should get the 4 hours.

TillerEnvy

On another note, anybody know where one can find the AA travel "benefits" enrollment form? I can't find it anywhere on our pathetic CP website.

Fpmx772

Just wondering how long guys are waiting for IOE? I finished LOE on dec/20 and still sitting at home. Not complaining but just wondering how long some guys/girls are waiting for

Snuffaluffagus

On the intranet, go to department, technical publications, forms, and search American Eagle

TillerEnvy

Thx! Our website is absolutely terrible. Wish they'd spend some money on making it accessible.

Snuffaluffagus

Makes me miss the xjt one!

middies10

Yet the crackpipe was full of the "where do I find _____...."