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12-09-2015, 02:05 PM
#8851
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,707
You folks use timers? There is time limit as to how long it takes to get off the aircraft?
12-09-2015, 02:12 PM
#8852
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 504
Why does it take crews so long to get their shyt off the plane and get moving at this company?!?
For the love of God, if you are already late 15 minutes and you know there is an outboud crew waiting, you should be kicking the heels of the last passenger walking up the jet bridge!!
We almost missed our DHD flight back home to base to complete our pairing because the inbound crew took 10 minutes after the last passenger to vacate the plane.
How many more memos need to be written on this subject?!?
Captains, please light a fire under your crews' behind to get moving...it does affect other people.
For the love of God, if you are already late 15 minutes and you know there is an outboud crew waiting, you should be kicking the heels of the last passenger walking up the jet bridge!!
We almost missed our DHD flight back home to base to complete our pairing because the inbound crew took 10 minutes after the last passenger to vacate the plane.
How many more memos need to be written on this subject?!?
Captains, please light a fire under your crews' behind to get moving...it does affect other people.
12-09-2015, 02:30 PM
#8854
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Emb 175 FO
Posts: 41
The FAA defines conducting operations for multiple employers as "other commercial flying'". This flight time must be counted toward you flight time limitations under FAR 117. At Compass you must obtain written permission from the DO or a Chief prior to engaging in any other commercial flying.
12-09-2015, 03:16 PM
#8855
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Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 88
The FAA defines conducting operations for multiple employers as "other commercial flying'". This flight time must be counted toward you flight time limitations under FAR 117. At Compass you must obtain written permission from the DO or a Chief prior to engaging in any other commercial flying.
12-09-2015, 04:17 PM
#8856
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 453
The FAA defines conducting operations for multiple employers as "other commercial flying'". This flight time must be counted toward you flight time limitations under FAR 117. At Compass you must obtain written permission from the DO or a Chief prior to engaging in any other commercial flying.
12-09-2015, 05:21 PM
#8858
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 218
It's not your plane until the other crew gets off. Just like it's not your runway until another aircraft is done using it. Debrief Items is part of the Parking Check. If a debrief is still going on a checklist is not completed and, I would argue, it can't be completed later either. After that a crew member from the inbound has to do a walk-around. Sometimes things take time.
Also, I don't give a damn about your commute home when I am trying to make sure a job gets done myself.
Also, I don't give a damn about your commute home when I am trying to make sure a job gets done myself.
12-09-2015, 05:45 PM
#8859
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Emb 175 FO
Posts: 41
Read what again? I'll wait while you catch up.
Department of Transportation
Federal Aviation Administration
FEB -3 2015
Bruce Johnstone
23 51 Exline Circle
Hudson, OH 44236
Office of the Chief Counsel
800 Independence Ave., S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20591
Re: Meaning of "other commercial flying" as it relates to parts 117 and 121
Dear Mr. Johnstone:
This letter is in response to your July 21, 2014 letter and November 7 email requesting an interpretation of the meaning of "other commercial flying" as it relates to part 121 and part 117 flight and duty rules. Specifically you asked whether you "may ground instruct for compensation, incident to flight instruction, but may not charge for that portion of the instruction that would take place in the aircraft without considering it as other commercial flying." This response assumes the instruction you would be providing would not be a task assigned to you by a part 119 certificate holder or a part 91 program manager.
Under the part 121 rules "[o]ther commercial flying means any nonmilitary flying as a required crewmember, other than in air transportation, for which the crewmember is paid for his or her services." Legal Interpretation to Richard L. Martindell, from Rebecca B. MacPherson, Assistant Chief Counsel for Regulations (Mar. 11, 2009). Flight instruction for compensation is other commercial flying. Id. A key component of the definition of other commercial flying is flight, which for purposes of counting flight time, means the time from which the aircraft first moves under its own power for the purpose of flight until the moment it comes to rest at the next point of landing. See, e.g., Legal Interpretation to Timothy Slater, from Rebecca B. MacPherson, Assistant Chief Counsel for Regulations (Sept. 7, 2012). Therefore, ground training would not count as other commercial flying for part 121 flight and duty rules.
Part 117 also places cumulative flight limits on pilots. Those limitations "include all flying by flightcrew members on behalf of any certificate holder or 91K Program Manager during all applicable periods." 14 C.F.R. § 117.23(a). Ground instruction by a pilot in your scenario is not flying and would therefore not be included in the part 117 cumulative limits.
Finally, although ground instruction would not count towards flight time limitations under either part, we emphasize that under both the part 121 and part 117 rules a pilot is obligated to operate safely, including to be rested and prepared to perform his or her duties. See 14 C.F.R. §§ 91.13, 117.5; Legal Interpretation to David S. Parent, from Donald P. Byrne, Assistant Chief Counsel Regulations and Enforcement Division (Feb. 9, 1993).
Department of Transportation
Federal Aviation Administration
FEB -3 2015
Bruce Johnstone
23 51 Exline Circle
Hudson, OH 44236
Office of the Chief Counsel
800 Independence Ave., S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20591
Re: Meaning of "other commercial flying" as it relates to parts 117 and 121
Dear Mr. Johnstone:
This letter is in response to your July 21, 2014 letter and November 7 email requesting an interpretation of the meaning of "other commercial flying" as it relates to part 121 and part 117 flight and duty rules. Specifically you asked whether you "may ground instruct for compensation, incident to flight instruction, but may not charge for that portion of the instruction that would take place in the aircraft without considering it as other commercial flying." This response assumes the instruction you would be providing would not be a task assigned to you by a part 119 certificate holder or a part 91 program manager.
Under the part 121 rules "[o]ther commercial flying means any nonmilitary flying as a required crewmember, other than in air transportation, for which the crewmember is paid for his or her services." Legal Interpretation to Richard L. Martindell, from Rebecca B. MacPherson, Assistant Chief Counsel for Regulations (Mar. 11, 2009). Flight instruction for compensation is other commercial flying. Id. A key component of the definition of other commercial flying is flight, which for purposes of counting flight time, means the time from which the aircraft first moves under its own power for the purpose of flight until the moment it comes to rest at the next point of landing. See, e.g., Legal Interpretation to Timothy Slater, from Rebecca B. MacPherson, Assistant Chief Counsel for Regulations (Sept. 7, 2012). Therefore, ground training would not count as other commercial flying for part 121 flight and duty rules.
Part 117 also places cumulative flight limits on pilots. Those limitations "include all flying by flightcrew members on behalf of any certificate holder or 91K Program Manager during all applicable periods." 14 C.F.R. § 117.23(a). Ground instruction by a pilot in your scenario is not flying and would therefore not be included in the part 117 cumulative limits.
Finally, although ground instruction would not count towards flight time limitations under either part, we emphasize that under both the part 121 and part 117 rules a pilot is obligated to operate safely, including to be rested and prepared to perform his or her duties. See 14 C.F.R. §§ 91.13, 117.5; Legal Interpretation to David S. Parent, from Donald P. Byrne, Assistant Chief Counsel Regulations and Enforcement Division (Feb. 9, 1993).
12-09-2015, 06:00 PM
#8860
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 338
Seems like an overreaction - I don't think he was asking you to skip steps or take shortcuts. Personally if I know another crew is waiting though, and we were late, I'm not going to skip any steps or not do my job. BUT, out of common courtesy I am at least gonna try and hurry a little bit and have some lightning under my butt, ie getting my stuff out of the cockpit so you can get in there at least...
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