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06-30-2015, 09:21 AM

#7411

Rama04

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Joined APC: May 2008

Position: CRJ FO

Posts: 405

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyguy94

I'm betting the next big upgrade bid hits guys still in new hire orientation. Any takers?

Been saying this for months... slowly people are coming around and realizing it is going to happen.

06-30-2015, 09:26 AM

#7412

BouyaKasha

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Posts: 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by tunes

Seriously, it's time to get over it. It's not rocket science.....and those kind of times are far better than what the requirements used to be.

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I respectfully disagree, upgrading is not easy. It's already a steep learning curve for anyone who has experience in the E170 and is familiar with our AOM/FOM. I'm glad you think it's such an easy job but that's not the case for most. Someone hired with no jet time and little experience with our operations and upgrades right our of FO training is in for a rough ride. Add to that flying with an inexperienced FO right out of CA IOE and you're in for a ride.

06-30-2015, 09:31 AM

#7413

BouyaKasha

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lear

A large number of airline pilots in Europe and Asia start on the right seat of A320s and B737s with 250-300 hours through cadet programs or specialized training such as the Multi-Crew Pilot License (MPL). As long as the training/upgrade programs do their job in ensuring that nobody gets in either seat without being fully qualified to do so, I don't see an issue with "low time" CA/FOs.

And as a result they have "Airbus babies" whose only experience is being a cruise relief first officer and can't recognize a high altitude stall. No thank you keep those cadets our of our airlines.

06-30-2015, 10:32 AM

#7414

Squallrider

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Position: 175 CA

Posts: 1,544

Hey guys, just curious how many sim/ftd sessions do you guys have in training? My friend claims 3 then checkride...seems a bit low

06-30-2015, 10:40 AM

#7415

BlueMoon

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Position: FO

Posts: 3,044

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squallrider

Hey guys, just curious how many sim/ftd sessions do you guys have in training? My friend claims 3 then checkride...seems a bit low

4 ftd's, 6 sims, mv, loft, then LOE (that is the "checkride")

06-30-2015, 11:04 AM

#7416

F2m185

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Posts: 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyguy94

I'm betting the next big upgrade bid hits guys still in new hire orientation. Any takers?

what constitutes a "big" upgrade vacancy here? 15-20?

06-30-2015, 11:06 AM

#7417

Squallrider

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Position: 175 CA

Posts: 1,544

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueMoon

4 ftd's, 6 sims, mv, loft, then LOE (that is the "checkride")

Is that initial? How about for upgrade? Thanks

06-30-2015, 11:32 AM

#7418

BlueMoon

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Position: FO

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Squallrider

Is that initial? How about for upgrade? Thanks

Day of ground school, oral is on Day 2, 2 FTD's, and a procedures validation.(procedures test in the FTD). Then, 2 Sim's, MV, Loft, LOE.

06-30-2015, 12:03 PM

#7419

123rule

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Position: Not talkin 'bout alternates

Posts: 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by F2m185

what constitutes a "big" upgrade vacancy here? 15-20?

Last vacancy had 32 upgrades and 9 people on alternate list after it was amended..

06-30-2015, 01:32 PM

#7420

Cujo665

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Joined APC: Feb 2014

Position: Semi-Retired...

Posts: 3,255

Quote:

Originally Posted by BouyaKasha

And as a result they have "Airbus babies" whose only experience is being a cruise relief first officer and can't recognize a high altitude stall. No thank you keep those cadets our of our airlines.

And then Malaysia Air x2
Indonesia Air
German Wings

Yep, they can keep that crap in Europe