Compass updates
05-04-2015, 06:05 PM
#6822
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: Fifth floor, window
Posts: 290
05-05-2015, 06:42 AM
#6823
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 71
I have, and am still considering, Compass for the LAX base (short commute for me). I have heard upgrades are very fast. I have the time, sic and pic PIC 121, and thought, should I apply and get hired, the upgrade would be an attractor (yes, livable $). But honestly, I would not be so comfortable to go through FO training and then immediately go into upgrade training without flying the airplane for 1-2 months as an FO and getting to know the company. Or, it would be fine with me if the company provided extensive PIC IOE of similar duration (1-2 months). But I seriously doubt they have the resources to provide this.
05-05-2015, 08:02 AM
#6825
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Position: Bent Over
Posts: 225
I don't know who's going directly from FO new hire training directly into upgrade training??
I was hired in early Feb. Just going to do IOE next week most likely, and no CA award.
For those Nov & Dec new hire FO's that were awarded, they have already been on the line for at least a month if not two, and their upgrade class is not until July. So they will have 3-5 months on the line as FO before going to upgrade class.
Anyone who says new hires are going directly into upgrade training is not correct. Will it happen soon? Perhaps. But....
I was hired in early Feb. Just going to do IOE next week most likely, and no CA award.
For those Nov & Dec new hire FO's that were awarded, they have already been on the line for at least a month if not two, and their upgrade class is not until July. So they will have 3-5 months on the line as FO before going to upgrade class.
Anyone who says new hires are going directly into upgrade training is not correct. Will it happen soon? Perhaps. But....
05-05-2015, 08:21 AM
#6826
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 988
I don't know who's going directly from FO new hire training directly into upgrade training??
I was hired in early Feb. Just going to do IOE next week most likely, and no CA award.
For those Nov & Dec new hire FO's that were awarded, they have already been on the line for at least a month if not two, and their upgrade class is not until July. So they will have 3-5 months on the line as FO before going to upgrade class.
Anyone who says new hires are going directly into upgrade training is not correct. Will it happen soon? Perhaps. But....
I was hired in early Feb. Just going to do IOE next week most likely, and no CA award.
For those Nov & Dec new hire FO's that were awarded, they have already been on the line for at least a month if not two, and their upgrade class is not until July. So they will have 3-5 months on the line as FO before going to upgrade class.
Anyone who says new hires are going directly into upgrade training is not correct. Will it happen soon? Perhaps. But....
Anyone think our staffing situation is going to get tighter?
05-05-2015, 08:24 AM
#6827
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 304
I don't know who's going directly from FO new hire training directly into upgrade training??
I was hired in early Feb. Just going to do IOE next week most likely, and no CA award.
For those Nov & Dec new hire FO's that were awarded, they have already been on the line for at least a month if not two, and their upgrade class is not until July. So they will have 3-5 months on the line as FO before going to upgrade class.
Anyone who says new hires are going directly into upgrade training is not correct. Will it happen soon? Perhaps. But....
I was hired in early Feb. Just going to do IOE next week most likely, and no CA award.
For those Nov & Dec new hire FO's that were awarded, they have already been on the line for at least a month if not two, and their upgrade class is not until July. So they will have 3-5 months on the line as FO before going to upgrade class.
Anyone who says new hires are going directly into upgrade training is not correct. Will it happen soon? Perhaps. But....
05-05-2015, 08:36 AM
#6828
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 988
First, I didn't offer any solution. I was only saying that I am not on the "Street captains are awesome" bandwagon. As you pointed out, some guys are essentially going directly to the left seat training after finishing right seat training. That guy will have his hands very full dealing with a challenging LAX operation, brand new flight attendants, brand new MX people and everything else that is going on right now, and they will likely not have an experienced F/O to lean on a little bit when things get challenging. Instead, they will have a new guy that will make every rookie mistake in the book, and they will not have had a chance to learn from those same mistakes with the guidance of someone more experienced on their left before taking command. A couple hundred hours in the right seat with us before they upgrade would make a big difference in their preparation for the responsibility. I understand that mandating right seat time before upgrade is not so realistic right now with our growth and attrition, but I do think that it is hard to argue that it is not safer to do it that way.
I would argue that the company's minimum for upgrade should be 2500 plus 1 hour for 2 hours less than 1000 hours of Compass line experience. On top of that, their OE should be increased similarly as well. This doesn't change the fact we still need to hire 'street captains', it just means those coming in for those positions, who are eligible, need to have more experience than 2500 hours and 1000 hours of 121 SIC or 135 PIC.
The training department and check airman should not be signing them off unless they are ready. Now that we are upgrading pilots with only a month or two of line experience, a majority of them will require a more than normal training footprint.
I can almost assure you that those upgrading with only 2500 hours and 1000 hours of 121 SIC will see an increased percent of them having to extend their upgrade training footprint.
Is that possibility in the company's staffing plan, probably not.
05-05-2015, 12:46 PM
#6829
New Hire
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: E-175 FO
Posts: 6
Hey guys I posted a few weeks back, and I now have a class date in about a week. Coming from another 121 regional with a little under the 1,000 SIC 121. There seems to be a little bit discrepancy between how quick the upgrade is going to be going this summer. Realistically if I came in now what do you think the upgrade time would be? I know thats hard to say exactly because there are people hitting the minimums each month that goes by and therefore more are becoming eligible to upgrade. Any guesses though?
05-05-2015, 12:57 PM
#6830
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 122
Hey guys I posted a few weeks back, and I now have a class date in about a week. Coming from another 121 regional with a little under the 1,000 SIC 121. There seems to be a little bit discrepancy between how quick the upgrade is going to be going this summer. Realistically if I came in now what do you think the upgrade time would be? I know thats hard to say exactly because there are people hitting the minimums each month that goes by and therefore more are becoming eligible to upgrade. Any guesses though?
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