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02-26-2015, 02:22 PM
#6101
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 988
Yet there's plenty of mediocre 2nd and 3rd class pilots getting hire by the regionals cause this companies need to fill the seats. Here's the F*&K part about this, the FAA implemented all this changes (1500hrs, 117 rules) all to help place experience and well rested pilots in the cockpit. I wonder what they'll do when a plane slam into the ground cause by pilot error
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.You think hiring a pilot with 250 hours is safer than hiring that same pilot when they have 1500 hours? I don't know about you, but most people become better at something the more hours they put in.
On top of that you think opening up hiring to 250 hour pilots, instead of leaving it at ATP minimums, will lead to you getting better pay and QOL?
You believe a 16 hour/8 leg day after 8 hours of sleep with a 4am report, is safer than a 9 hour/6 leg day after 10 hours of rest with a 4am report?
What world are you living on?
02-27-2015, 08:29 AM
#6102
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 680
Just curious how far out they are scheduling classes right now and where they are at with hiring numbers. Have an interview next week, I am wondering at this point if the qol/upgrade wave has long since crested? Hypothetically if someone got hired today how would things look moving forward if classes kept being filled?
02-27-2015, 09:36 AM
#6103
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 112
Just curious how far out they are scheduling classes right now and where they are at with hiring numbers. Have an interview next week, I am wondering at this point if the qol/upgrade wave has long since crested? Hypothetically if someone got hired today how would things look moving forward if classes kept being filled?
02-27-2015, 09:45 AM
#6104
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 988
Just curious how far out they are scheduling classes right now and where they are at with hiring numbers. Have an interview next week, I am wondering at this point if the qol/upgrade wave has long since crested? Hypothetically if someone got hired today how would things look moving forward if classes kept being filled?
150 flow pilots will be removed from the top of the list starting April 1 through November 1, at a pace of 20 a month, which requires 20 line pilots/month added until 150 are added. We need to add 20 line pilots/month starting March 1 for approximately 10 months until we add 200 total for the AA flying. We have probably added 200 out of the 350 required. That number may include those in March.
650 is their end number with non-flying pilots included. We probably are around 650 pilots right now (500 active, rest in training and off line) and need to hire another 150 for the flow and AA growth. You can almost think of it as though we need to grow to 800 to account for the 150 flow pilots leaving. After that, all hiring is for regular attrition, which they are planning on 50/year (probably higher).
To figure out where you will sit, take the current seniority list (650) and add 40/month past March through July and roughly 10/month after that for you to start. Take that number and minus 150 for your November number to account for all the 150 flow pilots departing by November. Divide that by 650 and there is your rough seniority % at the beginning of November. 1-5 non-flow pilots will likely leave monthly, so you can probably account for that too by subtracting 175-200 instead for your November number.
Anyone hired in the next 1-5 months will gain seniority at the behest of the flow pilots leaving and the AA growth. After that, you will gain seniority based on normal attrition, which is increasing. No one hired now can hold captain based on being 50% or higher, but with all those lacking minimums, if you have the minimums, chances are you will hold captain within months of being hired. You will be junior to all those that bypassed once they upgrade though.
02-27-2015, 11:19 AM
#6105
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: FO
Posts: 3,044
I don't know how far out the classes are right now, but I don't think it's past May. If you get hired, volunteer to take an early class and you may sneak into a March-April class.
150 flow pilots will be removed from the top of the list starting April 1 through November 1, at a pace of 20 a month, which requires 20 line pilots/month added until 150 are added. We need to add 20 line pilots/month starting March 1 for approximately 10 months until we add 200 total for the AA flying. We have probably added 200 out of the 350 required. That number may include those in March.
650 is their end number with non-flying pilots included. We probably are around 650 pilots right now (500 active, rest in training and off line) and need to hire another 150 for the flow and AA growth. You can almost think of it as though we need to grow to 800 to account for the 150 flow pilots leaving. After that, all hiring is for regular attrition, which they are planning on 50/year (probably higher).
To figure out where you will sit, take the current seniority list (650) and add 40/month past March through July and roughly 10/month after that for you to start. Take that number and minus 150 for your November number to account for all the 150 flow pilots departing by November. Divide that by 650 and there is your rough seniority % at the beginning of November. 1-5 non-flow pilots will likely leave monthly, so you can probably account for that too by subtracting 175-200 instead for your November number.
Anyone hired in the next 1-5 months will gain seniority at the behest of the flow pilots leaving and the AA growth. After that, you will gain seniority based on normal attrition, which is increasing. No one hired now can hold captain based on being 50% or higher, but with all those lacking minimums, if you have the minimums, chances are you will hold captain within months of being hired. You will be junior to all those that bypassed once they upgrade though.
150 flow pilots will be removed from the top of the list starting April 1 through November 1, at a pace of 20 a month, which requires 20 line pilots/month added until 150 are added. We need to add 20 line pilots/month starting March 1 for approximately 10 months until we add 200 total for the AA flying. We have probably added 200 out of the 350 required. That number may include those in March.
650 is their end number with non-flying pilots included. We probably are around 650 pilots right now (500 active, rest in training and off line) and need to hire another 150 for the flow and AA growth. You can almost think of it as though we need to grow to 800 to account for the 150 flow pilots leaving. After that, all hiring is for regular attrition, which they are planning on 50/year (probably higher).
To figure out where you will sit, take the current seniority list (650) and add 40/month past March through July and roughly 10/month after that for you to start. Take that number and minus 150 for your November number to account for all the 150 flow pilots departing by November. Divide that by 650 and there is your rough seniority % at the beginning of November. 1-5 non-flow pilots will likely leave monthly, so you can probably account for that too by subtracting 175-200 instead for your November number.
Anyone hired in the next 1-5 months will gain seniority at the behest of the flow pilots leaving and the AA growth. After that, you will gain seniority based on normal attrition, which is increasing. No one hired now can hold captain based on being 50% or higher, but with all those lacking minimums, if you have the minimums, chances are you will hold captain within months of being hired. You will be junior to all those that bypassed once they upgrade though.
02-27-2015, 11:40 AM
#6106
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Position: Capt/Fo
Posts: 34
We currently have around 640 pilots. If the plan is still to hire 40/mo through august, that's 240 more and then 50 more after that till the end of 2015, they must be planning on either hiring attrition or a pilot group larger than 650.
02-27-2015, 12:01 PM
#6107
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Cessna 150 Left seat
Posts: 430
Where do most stay when coming in for the single day orientation? Recommendation?
02-27-2015, 12:29 PM
#6108
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 988
It can't be another 150-200 that need to join the list after March for the flow attrition and AA growth in 2015. It's a safe bet to subtract 40/month for April and each month after (from the 150-200 number) to see if you got on before hiring slows for regular attrition. I wouldn't be surprised to see them need 250 or more for the rest of 2015, but we have to be fairly close to only needing to hire another 150 for the flow attrition and AA growth.
02-27-2015, 03:31 PM
#6110
Pathological Flyer
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 694
how long is self study?
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