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01-18-2015, 07:17 PM
#5691
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
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you would get 4 hours of pay for anything under 4 hours of flying (block or credit) in a duty period, for example if you did a MSP - FAR turn blocked at a combined 2 hours, you would receive 4 hours of pay....what he's saying is that if you flew 1 flight lets say from MSP-SDF, (took off at 11:30 pm and got into SDF at 2AM local) to repo an airplane to get fixed, you wouldn't get 8 hours of pay because the 4 hours of pay is for duty segment not calendar day, the example provided is something that is a rarity around here...
01-18-2015, 08:29 PM
#5692
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
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Good to know you prefer people should not know the truth about what we are deciding. Pretty sad and pathetic you spend your posts not addressing the lies and misconceptions put on here about what our pilot group is deciding.
01-18-2015, 08:35 PM
#5693
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I did read the info..hence why I am responding to it.
Like what was stated before, and no further examples were given by you aside from these; a red eye, ferry flight, or deadhead in the middle of the night...These are the only things that would have a need for adtg, since you yourself said highspeeds were exempt. there are no red eyes we operate, and most ferry flights and dhs do not go into a 2nd day (of course there are eceptions). I still don't see how adtg benefits the majority.of the flying we do within one calendar day.
Like what was stated before, and no further examples were given by you aside from these; a red eye, ferry flight, or deadhead in the middle of the night...These are the only things that would have a need for adtg, since you yourself said highspeeds were exempt. there are no red eyes we operate, and most ferry flights and dhs do not go into a 2nd day (of course there are eceptions). I still don't see how adtg benefits the majority.of the flying we do within one calendar day.
Red eyes, ferry flights, and deadheads in the middle of the night are the only examples where we can make 4:00 on 2 day trip and 8:00 on a 3 day trip.
I have said it all along it wasn't a min day option, yet for the longest time you all kept saying it was. I have no motive other than making sure people understand that.
Know what you are deciding on, that is it.
01-18-2015, 08:49 PM
#5694
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The key here is if you have any duty period go into the next calendar day, it wipes out that option. The adtg however, would protect you from that.
You just need to decide if you would rather have a 4:45 adtg or 4:00 credit to add on to a trip with an entire day without duty, while running the risk of not getting it if one duty period went past 11:59 PM (This does happen).
01-18-2015, 09:11 PM
#5695
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: ERJ-175 Capt
Posts: 95
We get a minimum of 4:00 of pay/credit for each duty period. With the adtg we also get a minimum of 4:45 of pay/credit for each day. If we drop the adtg, we will get an extra 4:00 pay/credit if we have an entire calendar day without duty.
The key here is if you have any duty period go into the next calendar day, it wipes out that option. The adtg however, would protect you from that.
You just need to decide if you would rather have a 4:45 adtg or 4:00 credit to add on to a trip with an entire day without duty, while running the risk of not getting it if one duty period went past 11:59 PM (This does happen).
The key here is if you have any duty period go into the next calendar day, it wipes out that option. The adtg however, would protect you from that.
You just need to decide if you would rather have a 4:45 adtg or 4:00 credit to add on to a trip with an entire day without duty, while running the risk of not getting it if one duty period went past 11:59 PM (This does happen).
01-18-2015, 10:50 PM
#5696
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 593
We fly on redeye dhs at Compass.
Red eyes, ferry flights, and deadheads in the middle of the night are the only examples where we can make 4:00 on 2 day trip and 8:00 on a 3 day trip.
I have said it all along it wasn't a min day option, yet for the longest time you all kept saying it was. I have no motive other than making sure people understand that.
Know what you are deciding on, that is it.
Red eyes, ferry flights, and deadheads in the middle of the night are the only examples where we can make 4:00 on 2 day trip and 8:00 on a 3 day trip.
I have said it all along it wasn't a min day option, yet for the longest time you all kept saying it was. I have no motive other than making sure people understand that.
Know what you are deciding on, that is it.
01-19-2015, 06:02 AM
#5697
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Posts: 52
Many of us remember the old contract where plenty of 10:30 4-days were built. We were understaffed back then also.
01-19-2015, 06:07 AM
#5698
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 593
I was simply referring to the examples he is talking about in relation to ADTG that occur very rarely in our operation, and .5 would be 50%
01-19-2015, 06:31 AM
#5699
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Posts: 52
Either way, you're both arguing like school girls about extreme cases. The goal is to help out the largest amount of pilots on the list. Let the MEC know you thoughts, and accept the result. The survey taken before negotiations was clear that the pilot group wanted a trip/duty rig or min day credit. They have given us that, one way or the other.
Try to be happy you're not at some other regionals that are shrinking and have no movement. Our problems pale in comparison to others.
01-19-2015, 06:40 AM
#5700
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Joined APC: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,538
Good. I have two 30 hr layovers in feb
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