Poopchute701

Um.... ok sorry min duty pay...same thing...the only reason the terminology you seem so hung up on would be of any effect is for high speeds which is a small percent of the pairings...adtg has nothing to do with the 4 hrs....

404yxl

I'm sorry you are confused about this issue. Unfortunately, we have pilots here so insanely upset about the adtg, they keep lying about what our option is if we drop it.

I've probably posted the exact language a couple dozen times prior to this, but here it is again...

LOA 2014-01 C.3.a-b references our 4:00 minimum for a duty period.
LOA 2014-01 C.3.c-d
c."Pay of four hours (4:00) per Calendar Day away from domicile but assigned no duty shall become effective on the first day of the February 2014 bid month."
d."The issue of whether there is a Minimum Duty Period Credit per Calendar Day away from domicile but assigned no duty will be addressed outside of this implementation agreement."

LOA 2014-06 G.3
All we get for going away from the adtg is... "Pilots shall receive 4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"

The key part here is the "with no duty assigned". This whole time, other pilots on this thread keep calling it a min day option. If you have any duty period that crosses into 2 calendar days (we have them in the bid packet and they can be built throughout the month), you will elliminate that 4:00 of pay/credit option since you do not satisfy the "with no duty assigned".

Poopchute701

Min day vs min duty...everyone knows what we are referring to....the terminology shouldn't be the issue here....

404yxl

Um.... ok not the same thing.

404yxl

I'm sorry you are confused about this issue. Unfortunately, we have pilots here so insanely upset about the adtg, they keep lying about what our option is if we drop it.

I've probably posted the exact language a couple dozen times prior to this, but here it is again...

LOA 2014-01 C.3.a-b references our 4:00 minimum for a duty period.
LOA 2014-01 C.3.c-d
c."Pay of four hours (4:00) per Calendar Day away from domicile but assigned no duty shall become effective on the first day of the February 2014 bid month."
d."The issue of whether there is a Minimum Duty Period Credit per Calendar Day away from domicile but assigned no duty will be addressed outside of this implementation agreement."

LOA 2014-06 G.3
All we get for going away from the adtg is... "Pilots shall receive 4 hours pay and credit for each calendar day away from base with no duty assigned"

The key part here is the "with no duty assigned". This whole time, other pilots on this thread keep calling it a min day option. If you have any duty period that crosses into 2 calendar days (we have them in the bid packet and they can be built throughout the month), you will elliminate that 4:00 of pay/credit option since you do not satisfy the "with no duty assigned".

Poopchute701

sooo...high speeds?

404yxl

Part of your problem is you choose not to read all the other info on this matter.

High speeds have been excluded from the adtg, so they don't apply here. This is for regular duty periods that extend into more than one calendar day that exist in our bid packets and are built throughout the month by scheduling.

mynameisjim

Bombardier, please be quieter. You're not helping your cause.

Poopchute701

I did read the info..hence why I am responding to it.
Like what was stated before, and no further examples were given by you aside from these; a red eye, ferry flight, or deadhead in the middle of the night...These are the only things that would have a need for adtg, since you yourself said highspeeds were exempt. there are no red eyes we operate, and most ferry flights and dhs do not go into a 2nd day (of course there are eceptions). I still don't see how adtg benefits the majority.of the flying we do within one calendar day.

Rama04

Are you saying that the 4 hour credit wouldn't apply to a one-leg day that was blocked at 1:30?
Mods should make this a separate thread...