crazyjaydawg

We currently get the 4 hrs per duty day with an Average Guarantee for the whole trip of 4:45 per day.

The debate is that we have a chance to go to 4 hrs pay and credit for every calender day, but it would cost us the 4:45 ADTG

djrogs03

Maybe it's your wording, but this doesn't seem correct...we do not get 4 hours per duty day currently with application to ADTG...see example below without 30 hour overnight

Day 1
MSP-BZN
T Credit = 2:45

Day 2
BZN-MSP
MSP-EWR
EWR-MSP
T Credit = 8:22

With ADTG = 11:07
With 4 hour min day = 12:22


Another thing I want you all to keep in mind the company does not want to make 16 hour four day pairings, they cannot and will not try to do this, there maybe 1-5 a month but the company is trying to use us as efficiently as possible, when we are working, they want us to work and maximize our usage...again some of you believe ADTG saves us from 16 hour pairings, there are always going to be a few insufficient pairings because PBS cannot assign all the flying perfectly, those trips will go junior. This pilot group fought long and hard for 4 hour min day + PBS credit and I'de hate to see us give the company the upper hand, and stay with this concession...

RTRD

And the people that get those trips should be able to trade them for more profitable flying and let reserves do the really low credit stuff since they normally don't break min guarantee anyway.

crazyjaydawg

In this case 12:22 would apply. Per the ADTG LOA 6-14:

PropDriver

Where did you see this?

EuroMexPilot

You're joking right? I notice no one else even bothered commenting on this nonsense.

motormadness

I think what he's saying is anything can happen. Things may look up now and can change rapidly. A good example would be when Mesaba hired street captains. Then basically a 3-way merger happened, the crash in Buffalo, the economy melted down after fuel spiked and then crashed. That's a roller coaster ride many could not have predicted. Who knows, something crazy could happen to Compass. That's why you shouldn't get wrapped around the axle on specific CPA's carrier may have. They're all subject to change.


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FuriousG

Thanks for the info.

Next up. Does ADTG still apply if you drop the last turn of a trip? I think the contract mentions losing min day and having guarantee reduced but doesn't specifically mention ADTG.

If a trip is already at minimum credit why not drop/swap any turns possible?

404yxl

It does. It sets a minimum of 19 hours.

404yxl

Of course junior pilots shouldn't be protected from low credit trips. They are junior after all.