Compass updates
12-22-2014, 04:39 PM
#5312
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Emb 175 FO
Posts: 41
What if the ADTG was increased to 5:30, would you have a different opinion?
12-22-2014, 05:05 PM
#5314
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Emb 175 FO
Posts: 41
It defiantly doesn't work for those pilots doing CDOs, that needs to be addressed also.
12-22-2014, 05:16 PM
#5315
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Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 175
To those of you that are new or are coming on board to Compass welcome! I hope those that are in training are having a good experience with the way the airline does things and hope you are being treated well.
I strongly advise those of you that are here or are just starting to review the latest union email regarding ADTG (Average Daily Trip Guarantee), and look at it in our contract and educate yourself. Soon we will all have the chance to put our input in for this issue and I hope that our voices are heard, regardless of the outcome. Over a 6 month period a lot of this pilot group has lost a lot of money with this ADTG. While I know all of our circumstances are different, think about this, as we all gain seniority our positions may change on this subject, something important to think about. The way the company is building schedules does not benefit us to have ADTG. Keep in mind the company will be short staffed and there will be a lot of flying for all of us! Simply put...the ADTG is not working for our pilot group!
I strongly advise those of you that are here or are just starting to review the latest union email regarding ADTG (Average Daily Trip Guarantee), and look at it in our contract and educate yourself. Soon we will all have the chance to put our input in for this issue and I hope that our voices are heard, regardless of the outcome. Over a 6 month period a lot of this pilot group has lost a lot of money with this ADTG. While I know all of our circumstances are different, think about this, as we all gain seniority our positions may change on this subject, something important to think about. The way the company is building schedules does not benefit us to have ADTG. Keep in mind the company will be short staffed and there will be a lot of flying for all of us! Simply put...the ADTG is not working for our pilot group!
12-22-2014, 05:23 PM
#5316
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Posts: 70
To those of you that are new or are coming on board to Compass welcome! I hope those that are in training are having a good experience with the way the airline does things and hope you are being treated well.
I strongly advise those of you that are here or are just starting to review the latest union email regarding ADTG (Average Daily Trip Guarantee), and look at it in our contract and educate yourself. Soon we will all have the chance to put our input in for this issue and I hope that our voices are heard, regardless of the outcome. Over a 6 month period a lot of this pilot group has lost a lot of money with this ADTG. While I know all of our circumstances are different, think about this, as we all gain seniority our positions may change on this subject, something important to think about. The way the company is building schedules does not benefit us to have ADTG. Keep in mind the company will be short staffed and there will be a lot of flying for all of us! Simply put...the ADTG is not working for our pilot group!
I strongly advise those of you that are here or are just starting to review the latest union email regarding ADTG (Average Daily Trip Guarantee), and look at it in our contract and educate yourself. Soon we will all have the chance to put our input in for this issue and I hope that our voices are heard, regardless of the outcome. Over a 6 month period a lot of this pilot group has lost a lot of money with this ADTG. While I know all of our circumstances are different, think about this, as we all gain seniority our positions may change on this subject, something important to think about. The way the company is building schedules does not benefit us to have ADTG. Keep in mind the company will be short staffed and there will be a lot of flying for all of us! Simply put...the ADTG is not working for our pilot group!
12-22-2014, 06:12 PM
#5317
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 593
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There is so much movement going on right now, whoever is new, won't be on reserve in 60 days after completing IOE when AA planes start coming and flows leave...
2
Reserve pilots and new hires make up a very low percentage of the pilot group, don't get me wrong the ADTG benefits some, but not the overwhelming majority
As with anything, you have to make a decision based off of how it fits for you, that's why we have block reps, I'm willing to bet 80-90% of the pilot group has lost money with the ADTG, look at how much Critical Pay the company is offering? That's not even with people leaving for flow, new airplanes coming, during winter (lowest block hour time per year)
12-22-2014, 08:20 PM
#5318
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Joined APC: May 2008
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 405
What does a CDO credit under ADTG?
What's the policy with a pick up if you pick up a partial trip does min day or ADTG apply? Or is it barred?
What's the policy with a pick up if you pick up a partial trip does min day or ADTG apply? Or is it barred?
12-22-2014, 08:31 PM
#5319
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 593
Don't quote me on this, but I believe that CDO's and day trips do not apply to ADTG, CDO credits 4:00 and day trip credits whatever the day is worth credit wise...
Last edited by djrogs03; 12-22-2014 at 08:42 PM.
12-22-2014, 09:03 PM
#5320
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Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 175
With adtg, we are talking about only an additional 30 hrs of credit(over pre-LOA method)to the pilots, at the sacrifice of a whole heck of a lot of pay. With min day of 4.0 hrs pay AND credit, we are talking a much higher increase in credit gain(over pre-LOA method, but without losing any pay.
And let's be honest, some of our union leaders have already admitted privately to adtg being a worse deal than they anticipated.
After the implementation of this adtg, the union implied this was a means to an end....a way of protecting our pilot group from a binding arbitration decision. That end, is 4.0 hrs credit and pay for min day. We are almost there. By August of next year, I truly hope we will be done with adtg.
Now, let's see the numbers. All of them. That is what they are going to give to us, and our pilots will decide what we will stick with. I might have my own opinion, but I'm OK with letting the majority rule here.
And let's be honest, some of our union leaders have already admitted privately to adtg being a worse deal than they anticipated.
After the implementation of this adtg, the union implied this was a means to an end....a way of protecting our pilot group from a binding arbitration decision. That end, is 4.0 hrs credit and pay for min day. We are almost there. By August of next year, I truly hope we will be done with adtg.
Now, let's see the numbers. All of them. That is what they are going to give to us, and our pilots will decide what we will stick with. I might have my own opinion, but I'm OK with letting the majority rule here.
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